Cotto Looks Great & Will Beat Floyd Mayweather Jr: Here is Why

polo · Apr 13, 2008

BlueApollo said:

The jab alone was shockingly good tonight. Against Gomez, of course. You could make the argument that Floyd's defense and head movement will almost completely nullify any Cotto jabs.

Acb, I'm curious, who do you see being forced to lead in this fight? Two years ago I saw Cotto as a pure stalker, but he's added deceptive movement to his game in the time since. Anyone who just tries to walk in against Floyd will be too square (Hatton) and meet a similar fate. Is it just me, or has Cotto become dynamic enough to have other options now?
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Yeah its just you Duke!!! There is one problem everybody
and their Grand-Pa knows that Mayrunner wants NOOOOOOOOOOOOO
part of the Purto Rican Warrior... Mainly after watching him fight tonight. You think Floyd wasn't watching? You Mother ****in Right!
IMO no $$$ in the world will get him in the ring with Cotto. He {PBF}
Doesn"T want that L... He wants to retire unbeaten... :good its funny
that all the Floyd NutSack-Lickers hasn''t come out the woodwork yet.
maybe seeing Cotto Shine tonight, they now know that Mayrunner
Doesn'T have a chance in hell to beat Cotto... :bbb STAY-UP. M.R.
{NYC} :good

MSTR · Apr 13, 2008

acb said:

I have watched Cotto carefully over the past few fights and his marks for improvement are high. Although he faced a weak opponent tonight, he utterly destroyed him and demonstrated his continued evolution in several areas. I will expand on some of these areas now in comparison to his past. This improvement is my basis for picking him against Floyd in a 2009 fight:

Straighter Punches: His right hand is being thrown directly down the pipe, and his hooks have less windup and are being delivered through a more economic structure.

Understanding and Manipulation of Tempo: He has become very adept at manipulating the tempo of his punching, taking something off his punches and putting something back on when neccesary. This use of tempo is difficult for opponents to and adds another wrinkle to a preasure fighters game. He has always understood how to apply preasure, but now this preasure is even more difficult for opponents to percieve.

The Jab: Cotto has quietly developed a quick, piston like jab which he uses to move forward while nicely tucking his head just behind his lead shoulder.

Speed: He is becoming faster and faster, this much is obvious. His punching technique has become more fluid and he is no longer as tense as he used to be while looking to destroy the body. Some of this developement is due to relaxation and patience in the ring, and some is due to improved, tighter punching technique.

Now, add this to:

1. A 27 year old, prime fighter
2. Who has been perfectly managed
3. Who has not been damaged in the ring
4. Who has one of the best digging left hooks in the sport
5. Who understands how to apply educated preasure properly
6. Who fits perfectly into the 147lb weight class without draining
7. Who shows improvement every fight
8. Who stays within his mental process and is rarely affected by out of the ring banter
9. Who lives a clean life with his family out of the ring

... And you have the toughtest fight of Mayweathers career. Mark it down. :deal
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deal:deal

Brilliant post. I have been on the bandwagon for a very long time now. Glad to see that Cotto is finally getting credit that people denied him for so long. He truely is an ELITE fighter.

Knob McDude · Apr 13, 2008

Great post ACB.

It also helps that you have a very repected knowledge of the sport, at least in my opinion.

:good

Shane · Apr 13, 2008

acb said:

I have watched Cotto carefully over the past few fights and his marks for improvement are high. Although he faced a weak opponent tonight, he utterly destroyed him and demonstrated his continued evolution in several areas. I will expand on some of these areas now in comparison to his past. This improvement is my basis for picking him against Floyd in a 2009 fight:

Straighter Punches: His right hand is being thrown directly down the pipe, and his hooks have less windup and are being delivered through a more economic structure.

Understanding and Manipulation of Tempo: He has become very adept at manipulating the tempo of his punching, taking something off his punches and putting something back on when neccesary. This use of tempo is difficult for opponents to and adds another wrinkle to a preasure fighters game. He has always understood how to apply preasure, but now this preasure is even more difficult for opponents to percieve.

The Jab: Cotto has quietly developed a quick, piston like jab which he uses to move forward while nicely tucking his head just behind his lead shoulder.

Speed: He is becoming faster and faster, this much is obvious. His punching technique has become more fluid and he is no longer as tense as he used to be while looking to destroy the body. Some of this developement is due to relaxation and patience in the ring, and some is due to improved, tighter punching technique.

Now, add this to:

1. A 27 year old, prime fighter
2. Who has been perfectly managed
3. Who has not been damaged in the ring
4. Who has one of the best digging left hooks in the sport
5. Who understands how to apply educated preasure properly
6. Who fits perfectly into the 147lb weight class without draining
7. Who shows improvement every fight
8. Who stays within his mental process and is rarely affected by out of the ring banter
9. Who lives a clean life with his family out of the ring

... And you have the toughtest fight of Mayweathers career. Mark it down. :deal
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I saw no improvements in his defense he still gets hit flush by the uppercut every time, and that will not be good for him against Margarito who has a devastating uppercut, i also observed when he fights in close quarters he tends to leave himself open while trading like he did against Torres.

fitzgeraldz · Apr 13, 2008

acb said:

I have watched Cotto carefully over the past few fights and his marks for improvement are high. Although he faced a weak opponent tonight, he utterly destroyed him and demonstrated his continued evolution in several areas. I will expand on some of these areas now in comparison to his past. This improvement is my basis for picking him against Floyd in a 2009 fight:

Straighter Punches: His right hand is being thrown directly down the pipe, and his hooks have less windup and are being delivered through a more economic structure.

Understanding and Manipulation of Tempo: He has become very adept at manipulating the tempo of his punching, taking something off his punches and putting something back on when neccesary. This use of tempo is difficult for opponents to and adds another wrinkle to a preasure fighters game. He has always understood how to apply preasure, but now this preasure is even more difficult for opponents to percieve.

The Jab: Cotto has quietly developed a quick, piston like jab which he uses to move forward while nicely tucking his head just behind his lead shoulder.

Speed: He is becoming faster and faster, this much is obvious. His punching technique has become more fluid and he is no longer as tense as he used to be while looking to destroy the body. Some of this developement is due to relaxation and patience in the ring, and some is due to improved, tighter punching technique.

Now, add this to:

1. A 27 year old, prime fighter
2. Who has been perfectly managed
3. Who has not been damaged in the ring
4. Who has one of the best digging left hooks in the sport
5. Who understands how to apply educated preasure properly
6. Who fits perfectly into the 147lb weight class without draining
7. Who shows improvement every fight
8. Who stays within his mental process and is rarely affected by out of the ring banter
9. Who lives a clean life with his family out of the ring

... And you have the toughtest fight of Mayweathers career. Mark it down. :deal
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Well put ... but bull**** ... i'm not going to disrespect you or what you wrote because it was well put and its a well thought out explaination.

I can't begin to disagree with you though ...

rusticraver · Apr 13, 2008

I'm afraid Floyd cruises the points victory in this one

pit · Apr 13, 2008

acb said:

His jab was excellent. I am not just basing it on tonights fight, I have seen a steady evolution with his jab. Its gained speed, accuracy, and fluidity in the last few fights.
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. And Cotto doensn't need the jab to land as much as he needs it to control distance, to preasure effectively, and to position himself where he can use his bread and butter left hook to the body.
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Oh yes floyd will be looking to nullify cotto's jab if he feel it will becomes a factor just as he did with any fighter that come to him jabbing , he will ether slip and counter , or parry with the right and counter with the right but he will be looking to take it away , Floyd is not al that passive as some would like to believe. He aggressively trie to take away his opponents weapons and that old school **** there. Not to say cotto wont have success with the jab but if floyd figures out cottos then its a wrap.

acb said:

see Cotto coming forward, patiently, behind his jab. I see Floyd backing up, throwing right hand leads, and using lateral movement.
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I disagree with this totally ,, the one thing floyd has been consistent with in every fight, is never giving the same look .. the same style he used on Hatton will not be the same style he would fight Cotto with .. Floyd is smarter and has better respect for cotto game to do something like that .

acb said:

Cotto is more dynamic, but to beat Floyd its all about effective preasure. He can get cute now and box his man, but this obviously won't fit the bill against Mayweather.
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If cotto going to beat or compete with floyd, he has to do what he's been Trying to do lately and what floyd has been doing all along , showing different looks and not showing the same style every fight .. a warning floyd as already given Cotto.

alskdj80 · Apr 13, 2008

Even though Margarito-Cotto would be more action-packed, Mayweather-Cotto intrigues me more.

For me, the question is whether Mayweather can pick off Cotto's jab unlike Mosley. Mayweather has better defensive quickness than Mosley, in my opinion.

Mayweather likes to duck under left hooks or cover his body with his left while tucking his chin. I'm curious to see what would happen if Cotto throws his left-hook to the stomach.

Cotto isn't exactly big for the division but neither is Mayweather. Personally, I think Cotto wins if he can move forwards and I'm not certain that will happen.

acb · Apr 13, 2008

pit said:

Oh yes floyd will be looking to nullify cotto's jab if he feel it will becomes a factor just as he did with any fighter that come to him jabbing , he will ether slip and counter , or parry with the right and counter with the right but he will be looking to take it away , Floyd is not al that passive as some would like to believe. He aggressively trie to take away his opponents weapons and that old school **** there. Not to say cotto wont have success with the jab but if floyd figures out cottos then its a wrap.

I disagree with this totally ,, the one thing floyd has been consistent with in every fight, is never giving the same look .. the same style he used on Hatton will not be the same style he would fight Cotto with .. Floyd is smarter and has better respect for cotto game to do something like that .

If cotto going to beat or compete with floyd, he has to do what he's been Trying to do lately and what floyd has been doing all along , showing different looks and not showing the same style every fight .. a warning floyd as already given Cotto.
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I will take this point to point. First about the jab: Floyd has been hit with jabs from Castillo, DLH, and Judah, so I see no reason for him to not be hit by Cotto's jab. Now, as I mentioned, he is no Gomez. He will counter Cotto's jab with his own, and his movement and overall defensive savy will carry him a long way. But he won't be able to nullify it as in it won't be a factor, which was the original post I responded to.

Now, about your disagreement about Floyd fighting off the back foot. A poster simply asked me who I saw coming forward and pressing the action, and my answer is Cotto. You say he is more versitle than to fight off the back foot twice. My response is that working off the back foot and the trait of versatility are not mutually exclusive. Floyd has counterpunched off the back foot (Hatton), used angles to negate preasure (Castillo), and tucked himself behind his shell to let another fighter unload before taking his own initiative (Corley, Chavez). In addition, I said before that he would go back to using lateral movement so that Cotto can't set down on his punches.

So Pit, if I am so wrong about Cotto coming forward, give me you basis for believing it will be different than the way I layed it out.

acb · Apr 13, 2008

MSTR said:

deal:deal

Brilliant post. I have been on the bandwagon for a very long time now. Glad to see that Cotto is finally getting credit that people denied him for so long. He truely is an ELITE fighter.
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Thanks MSTR and Knobmcdude.

I always respected his talent level, but couldn't see him beating Floyd until recently.

The reason that I see this fight differently now is two fold. The trajectory of his improvement that impresses me a great deal, and its noticable from fight to fight. But also, the parts of his game that he is improving are the ones most needed to beat Mayweather (straighter punches, better preasure behind a great jab), and the ability to vary his punch tempo which makes a preasure fighter a ***** to deal with, as it complicates measuring their cadence when countering them.

Brandon said that his defense hasn't improved. I agree and disagree. Using the Gomez uppercuts to guage this isn't valid, as Cotto was going in with total abandon and knew he wasn't going to be hurt. Against Mosely, Cotto did show some improvement. But overall, this is his achilles heel, and the point of embarkation for the arguement for Mayweather winning this fight.

Speak.King · Apr 13, 2008

Cotto is an excellent fighter, well on his way to becoming great. FLoyd is an different animal. And, as we've all seen, when floyd fights someone whos up to the challenge he will bring his best... AND NOBODY WANT TO SEE FLOYD AT HIS BEST. Best boxer alive.

pit · Apr 13, 2008

acb said:

I will take this point to point. First about the jab: Floyd has been hit with jabs from Castillo, DLH, and Judah, so I see no reason for him to not be hit by Cotto's jab. Now, as I mentioned, he is no Gomez. He will counter Cotto's jab with his own, and his movement and overall defensive savy will carry him a long way. But he won't be able to nullify it as in it won't be a factor, which was the original post I responded to.

Now, about your disagreement about Floyd fighting off the back foot. A poster simply asked me who I saw coming forward and pressing the action, and my answer is Cotto. You say he is more versitle than to fight off the back foot twice. My response is that working off the back foot and the trait of versatility are not mutually exclusive. Floyd has counterpunched off the back foot (Hatton), used angles to negate preasure (Castillo), and tucked himself behind his shell to let another fighter unload before taking his own initiative (Corley, Chavez). In addition, I said before that he would go back to using lateral movement so that Cotto can't set down on his punches.

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punch accuracy . floyd places his punches very well and he able to sneak his punches in between crack while his opponent is coming forward and punching , floyd may not have devastating punching power but he has enough to keep you honest and he has had his share of body punch KOs so cotto getting hurt to the body with a counter is not out of the question .

Cotto won't stupid enough to keep coming in the front door on floyd like hatton did and eating counters and straight rights. He will have to use faint to get floyd off his guard and attack from angles where floyd can't see him .

but coming straight at floyd , bad idea because he see everything . The few time floyd has been caught clean, is when he's come forward and caught turning and hit with shots he didn't see , granted both time were against southpaw but I still think cotto can get floyd to come forward and get him turning he can get the job done .. but continuing to come forward on the well condition , swift foot floyd will only making winning against floyd harder for cotto.

stilltharow · Apr 13, 2008

that match was just like sparring so he did what he wanted to when he wantd to so it dont mean nothing... so dont get excited guys.

Samurai · Apr 13, 2008

Cotto can't win with some boxing fans. If he tries to box Floyd, he'll get clowned yet if he applies steady, smart pressure he's going to get picked apart. WTF? Okay, what is he supposed to do?

acb · Apr 13, 2008

pit said:

punch accuracy . floyd places his punches very well and he able to sneak his punches in between crack while his opponent is coming forward and punching , floyd may not have devastating punching power but he has enough to keep you honest and he has had his share of body punch KOs so cotto getting hurt to the body with a counter is not out of the question .

Cotto won't stupid enough to keep coming in the front door on floyd like hatton did and eating counters and straight rights. He will have to use faint to get floyd off his guard and attack from angles where floyd can't see him .

but coming straight at floyd , bad idea because he see everything . The few time floyd has been caught clean, is when he's come forward and caught turning and hit with shots he didn't see , granted both time were against southpaw but I still think cotto can get floyd to come forward and get him turning he can get the job done .. but continuing to come forward on the well condition , swift foot floyd will only making winning against floyd harder for cotto.
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So you see Floyd being the fighter that comes forward, based on his accuracy?

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