Cotto-Margarito in Vegas with 8 ounce gloves?

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  1. Antwuan Maxx

    Antwuan Maxx Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=3365846


    The Nevada State Athletic Commission on Thursday amended its rule for glove size, putting Las Vegas into the hunt to land the much-anticipated July 26 bout between welterweight titleholder Miguel Cotto and Antonio Margarito.

    Cotto and Margarito have always fought in 8-ounce gloves and prefer to continue fighting in them. But under a provisional rule that has been used for the past couple of years in Nevada, boxers who weighed more than the 135-pound lightweight limit had to wear 10-ounce gloves.

    In virtually every other jurisdiction in the world, fighters wear 8-ounce gloves up to the 147-pound welterweight class with 10-ounce gloves being worn in fights over 147 pounds.

    Top Rank's Bob Arum, who promotes Puerto Rico's Cotto and Mexico's Margarito, wanted the fight to take place in 8-ounce gloves, as did the fighters, and pursued a meeting with the Nevada commission to talk it over.

    Without the change, Arum said he would not consider Las Vegas for the fight. He has been talking to New York's Madison Square Garden and Atlantic City, N.J., about hosting the HBO PPV fight.

    With the rule amended, there is a good chance the fight will take place at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas, Arum told ESPN.com.

    The Nevada commission had made the provisional rule in order to study a possible link between glove size and ring injuries.

    At Thursday's meeting, the commission voted 4-0 [one commissioner was absent] to allow lightweight and welterweight fighters the option of using 8- or 10-ounce gloves. If the camps can't agree, the default glove size will be 10 ounces, commission executive director Keith Kizer said.

    "We found no evidence that an 8-ounce glove would be significantly less safe than a 10-ounce glove in those weight classes," Kizer said. "We did the study. It's good that we did. Now, instead of the commission telling the boxers [in those weight divisions] what they have to wear, we're giving the fighters a little more choice."

    Said Arum: "It means that Las Vegas has opened up as an option for the fight. The Cotto team is flying in to visit with me on Tuesday and then we'll have a decision. But the glove size was important. Both of them have always fought in 8-ounce gloves."

    Gloves aside, Arum wants the fight in Las Vegas because he believes it will improve the pay-per-view performance by attracting more West Coast media coverage and more interest from Mexican and Mexican-American fans. Many of the media members on the West Coast rarely travel east to cover fights. East Coast media members are more likely to go to Vegas to cover fights.
     
  2. mturner77

    mturner77 Member Full Member

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    So Vegas has apparently left behind what they see as ethical as favor of money. Nice.
     
  3. El Matador

    El Matador Your Boxing Authority Full Member

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    How is it stupid? I think it's alright by me.

    I mean, in the UFC, you've got guys who are not only using gloves for boxing, but also wrestling and jui-jitsu.

    Furthermore, Cotto-Margarito should be a blast. Gotta pick Cotto for sheer boxing talent and punching power, but Margarito IS durable. :yep
     
  4. Hermit

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    Cuz it is hard to grapple in boxing gloves? The 'fingerless' mitts were supposedly designed by a physician to allow grappling but reduce the risk of cuts.
     
  5. thewoo

    thewoo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Not to mention that UFC fighters punch like amatuer boxers
     
  6. Hermit

    Hermit Loyal Member banned

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    My son is an avid fan but admits the best 'boxer' is non to impressive. But to be fair, it is a whole different game. They can't even use the same stance or they'd get their legs kicked out from under them. Someone posted a video of boxing vs kick boxer. I don't think the boxer ever got in range for his shots. Had his legs taken out, over and over and over.....
     
  7. See Me Flow

    See Me Flow The Pharaoh of Boxing Full Member

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    The fight should be in Vegas and not NY.
     
  8. pit

    pit Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    because they grapple
     
  9. Toopretty

    Toopretty Custom made Full Member

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    **** the UFC anyway. Somebody is getting knocked out. Margarito is pushing for this b/c he knows he is going to get punched often. Cotto is tough mentally and strong himself so he will win.
     
  10. psychopath

    psychopath D' "X" Factor Full Member

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    Simple . . . because UFC is not boxing.

    :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
     
  11. jecxbox

    jecxbox St. Brett Full Member

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    lol very true..But UFC fighters still punch like amateurs, and although they can't use a typical boxing stance in their MMA bouts they still should be able to throw much better quality punches than most of them do. Even in an unorthodox MMA stance can one deliver a decent punch. I just don't think MMA fighters put much time into the punching discipline as they should. If they would they'd be much better because of it. Not just for the sake of hitting better but for the sake of training their chins. You don't learn **** unless you spar with someone, everything one learns is in the ring SPARING and there is no other way to learn how to fight or develop the ability to take some punishment. Thats why you see MMA fighters get knocked out and rocked with a jab, it isn't because they hit harder or because they're using small gloves...It's because their chins ARE NOT TRAINED...There are a bunch of old school trainers at the boxing gym I go to, One of the guys when he was young, he'd run about 10-15 miles to the gym instead of driving, spar 15-20 rounds, AND THEN RUN 10-15 MILES back home!!!!! (this guy never lost an amateur fight lol)

    That is what you call conditioning!!!! That **** doesn't happen anymore - that is what you call OLD SCHOOL
     
  12. Farmboxer

    Farmboxer VIP Member Full Member

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    I do not want 10 oz gloves.
     
  13. El Matador

    El Matador Your Boxing Authority Full Member

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    It's funny how boxing and MMA are still being compared. They're two different sports, and IMO have little in common, other than the combative nature.

    And yes, I do think alot of MMA fighters aren't taking enough time to learn proper boxing technique. Just watch the last show of "The Ultimate Fighter" for proof.

    And the "Superman" punch? Now that's just a lame, amaeturish thing. That's what really is annoying.:(
     
  14. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    I'm excited about Cotto/Margarito no matter where it takes place! I work a lot of evening shifts, but trust me, I'll take the the night off for this one if I'm scheduled to work. Worst case scenario I'll call in sick with the ****** pocks and the bird flu, or maybe just FIGHT FEVER!!

    Boo
     
  15. jecxbox

    jecxbox St. Brett Full Member

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    yea I wasn't comparing them at all. I actually have a huge appreciation and respect to the MMA. **** 1 amateur boxing bout and one can feel it on the body expecially when you're starting out. I couldn't imagine trying to physically pick someone up and slam them etc.

    One reason why UFC is so distinct to Boxing is that there is actually an Amateur system built into boxing. So the elite class of boxers have a **** load of experience.

    And although MMA fighters have experience they don't build up an "amateur" record... There are so many things that can **** up or slow the career of an MMA fighter. It's like you can't really go all out and "spar" in MMA, If you get thrown into an arm bar they pretty much kinda have to go through the motions. Many times guys get put into an arm bar in practice and go too far, hyper extending the elbow and ****ing up their chances of training for months or maybe their whole career. Those type of Joint injuries are H O R R I B L E to say the very ****ing least. MMA may not be aesthetically pleasing but you have to be a ****ing idiot not to appreciate the sport because it is a very taxing and difficult sport to pick up and try to be professionally successful with.

    In all I think MMA athletes should definitely incorporate straight up boxing and sparing several times a week because boxing does WONDERS for eye hand reflexes and the developing your chin. But it doesn't seem like they put much effort into it.