Cotto may not be the same, but here's something that's being ignored...

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Amsterdam, Jul 28, 2008.


  1. BENNY BLANCO

    BENNY BLANCO R.I.P. Brooklyn1550 Full Member

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    Yeah very true and we have to take into account that Margo last two losses were to guys just as big and bigger than him and both fights were close.
     
  2. BewareofDawg

    BewareofDawg P4P Champ Full Member

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    I full-heartedly apologize. Dude I honestly thought you were out of your damn mind with all you were claiming Margo was capable of. I was dead ****ing wrong and Margo impressed and surprised me. :good :good :good
     
  3. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    You stated if he continue's this that he'll go down a HOF'er, I obviously highly disagree and don't feel there will be a repeat performance, in fact, Cotto just may have been perfect for him to get a signature win over.

    But on your theory, how much more do you think he could take like that and not break down? That was vicious, it doesn't appear so to some people because Marg CAN take it and Cotto can't, but it was bad.

    Another poster just said maybe Cotto wasn't sitting down on them the same, which would explain Marg taking less amounts of facial damage, where most Cotto opponents take a lot of facial damage, although the punishment was 90% fully flush blows. On the other side, it seems Cotto really does cut and bruise very easily.
     
  4. Ambition_Def

    Ambition_Def **** the people. Full Member

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    :thumbsup Good to see some people coming around!

    Now where is that Guru_to_you feller. :rofl
     
  5. jaycuban

    jaycuban Cubans Do It Better ! Full Member

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    Hey bro, Well Solis is going to surprise alot of people you watch, I was more excited about Solis turning pro than about Gamboa, and thats because if Solis gets back in shape... wish he will, he will become a fan favorite heavyweight... and win a title. Just keep following him and you will not be dissapointed.
     
  6. BewareofDawg

    BewareofDawg P4P Champ Full Member

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    Hoya would still whoop dat ass though and I hope the fight is made :yep
     
  7. Ambition_Def

    Ambition_Def **** the people. Full Member

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    Well, again DLH lost almost every big fight he was in, but because the fights were competitive we rate him highly. Why not do the same here? Anyone who suggests the Santos or Williams fights were not competitive is lying through their teeth. Those fights could easily have gone the other way.

    And as far as him taking damage I'd suggest you watch the Diaz fight. That was a real war. The reason he has held up for so long is that he keeps his body in real good shape. Usually the damage a fighter can take upstairs is linked to how well they take care of themselves. The proper hydration, exercise, blood pressure, etc. If you let your body and diet go to hell it can definately affect how well you take a punch. Margarito just hasn't gotten fat and lazy - yet. We'll see how this new success treats him. I honestly hope he doesn't go Buster Douglas on us.
     
  8. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    I agree with this, Hoya matches up very well with Margarito, I think even now.
     
  9. janeschicken

    janeschicken hard work! deadicayshin! Full Member

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    If you don't think your perception of a fighter's speed, skill, mobility and workrate changes based on the quality of opposition faced, then YOU need to think about what you're saying.

    All in all, pretty funny considering margarito threw 130 punches in round 7, and over 100 in the two previous to that, and, again, that's against WORLD-CLASS opposition.

    Not to mention, margarito's gameplan in this fight had absolutely nothing to do with reaction time and handspeed, it had to do with walking his opponent down, taking shots on the kisser and plowing through them.
     
  10. surreal deal

    surreal deal Liverpool via Krypton Full Member

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    How are ya Dawg?Said we'd catch up after the fight.:good
    Great fight,by both men.
    That WAS the face of a man being bullied at the end BTW:!: :yep
     
  11. BewareofDawg

    BewareofDawg P4P Champ Full Member

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    The problem with the Williams fight is that early on Margarito was completely taken out of his game and made to look bad. He finally was able to impose himself later on, yeah. But the image of him being outboxed and outclassed early sticks with people. He impressed me in that fight, and everyone that was watching with me that night with his heart and determination. But it just appeared that he had far inferior boxing skills then Williams. I don't know who would win a rematch but I would definitely like to see it.
     
  12. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    DLH lost to top, top elite fighters though, fighters much better than anybody in the weight range day, including Cotto. It's just a different level, plus one of the losses was semi-competitive to Hopkins, way above his natural weight.

    Hoya's win column is also excellent, many destructions over good to very good fighters and a few wins over elite fighters. Different set up IMO.

    You're fitness theory there may be fact, just that he's made 147 his entire career shows immense dedication and personal fitness. But, that doesn't stop accumulated brain damage, even if it may slow it.

    Here's another thing, he's been in many fights where he's taken a ton of hard shots, this one probably being the worst he's had to take, there can't be many more he can do exactly like that, these guys still are humans.
     
  13. BewareofDawg

    BewareofDawg P4P Champ Full Member

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    Oh boy :lol: I'm still in shock to be honest. Fight didn't exactly go as I thought :patsch

    I'm here though. I got all the respect in the world for both fighters. Cotto's face definitely looked like a man "that was bullied" though :hey
     
  14. Ambition_Def

    Ambition_Def **** the people. Full Member

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    Yea I agree with this. We all know what Margarito is because he's been that way consistently for some years now. Some of us have just underrated the effectiveness of what he does.

    I'm sure saturday Tony was pushed to the limit though. I know he had to be tired after about 7 rounds of throwing and missing so many punches. And looking at Cotto and the compubox where Margarito landed at only 20% tells you every punch Margarito threw was a killer. He just mustered up that second wind and pulled it out at the end. Still though, he kept it close on the cards this time which was impressive.
     
  15. TheChamp1000

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    Margo took some hard shots all fight, his chin is granite though and it didnt stop him coming forward. Of the two cotto will be worsely effected by the loss. He lost his 0 and hit a boxer flush with some of his best shots and the guy still hunted him down relentlessly and stopped him.

    You gotta be a mentally strong boxer to come back from that. Margo took on damage, we will have to wait to see how he performs next fight to see the full effects.

    I think this hurts cotto a lot more than margo.