Cotto Mosley.. Have we not seen this before?

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  1. Tito Time

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    Felix Trinidad, right, came into his own the night he beat Pernall Whitaker in Madison Square Garden.

    Sometimes it seems like there are only a handful of story lines in boxing and the same narratives keep repeating, with fresh actors playing roles that were written long ago.
    Take this scenario: An undefeated young knockout artist from Puerto Rico is welterweight champion, and although he has been battering opponents into submission, he remains under-recognized by the American public.
    To boost his exposure, his promoter sets up a fight at Madison Square Garden against a future Hall of Famer, a popular American with wide name recognition.
    His opponent is a fast-handed former multiple titleholder who once was considered the world's best pound-for-pound fighter but now is nearing the end of his career and could be ripe for defeat.
    That should sound familiar: It's Miguel Cotto, 27, versus Shane Mosley, 36, on Saturday.
    Or it's Felix Trinidad, 26, versus Pernell Whitaker, 35, on Feb. 20, 1999.
    Even in boxing, where the torch frequently passes from old to young in matchups like these, the recurring elements between these two scraps have a certain touch of "Groundhog Day."
    "I've been mentioning that to people myself," says HBO analyst Larry Merchant, who called the Trinidad-Whitaker bout from ringside at the Garden. "The parallels are strong. Two Puerto Rican welterweights, two Americans who were both lightweight and welterweight champions."
    Trinidad against Sweet Pea. Cotto against Sugar Shane.
    "Even though Cotto has won the title, this is a kind of defining moment in establishing an identity in the U.S.," Merchant says.
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    Like Felix Trinidad-Pernell Whitaker, pictured, Miguel Cotto-Shane Mosley pits an up-and-coming Puerto Rican star against a speedy veteran.


    It was the same way for Trinidad, who at age 26 had a 33-0 record with a brutal 29 knockouts. No opponent had taken him the distance in five years, but he needed to step up and beat a name-brand guy to become a pay-per-view attraction.
    So there was Whitaker, a former Olympic gold medalist and four-division titleholder with a 41-2-1 record. In his prime, Whitaker had been a defensive freak, as hard to hit as a headless ghost. But he was on the comeback trail. He had lost a disputed decision to Oscar De La Hoya in 1997 and later that year tested positive for cocaine. Plus, he would be fighting after a 16-month layoff.
    Still, Whitaker had a glittering resume -- 10 years of title fights against guys like De La Hoya and Julio Cesar Chavez -- that got Trinidad attention he never had received before.
    From the opening bell, Trinidad began landing his hard right and backing Whitaker up. He floored Whitaker with a straight right to the face in Round 2. Whitaker got in his share of pops, but the younger Trinidad kept coming, tying up and muscling the smaller Whitaker and throwing in an occasional forearm or elbow for good measure. It was either a punch or a Trinidad elbow in the fifth or sixth that broke Whitaker's jaw.
    Twice Whitaker lowered himself to the canvas -- voluntarily, it appeared -- to avoid punishment, although neither time was ruled a knockdown. When Whitaker rallied to score some big blows in the seventh, Merchant said, "Whatever happens, you're seeing the champion heart of a once-great prizefighter."
    Whitaker survived to lose a unanimous decision. He was hit 278 times. He would fight just once more before retiring. He now is a trainer.
    Trinidad-Whitaker and Cotto-Mosley


    "Tito" Trinidad would become the most celebrated Puerto Rican ring hero since Wilfred Benitez.
    On Saturday, it's happening again. Everyone wants Cotto, 30-0 with 25 knockouts, to step into his role as the biggest Puerto Rican sensation since Trinidad.
    "I'm not Tito," the reserved Cotto said last week, frustrated as reporters asked him to compare his reserved personality to Trinidad's talkative style. There are differences, for sure, says Bob Arum, Cotto's promoter.
    "Felix had the power, but he was a one-punch knockout guy, a gunslinger," Arum says. "Cotto wears his opponents down and damages them; he hits their body, their arms, their shoulders. It's totally different."
    The size equation is different as well. Trinidad, at 5-foot-11, towered over the southpaw Whitaker, who stood at 5-foot-6. Cotto, at 5-foot-7, is a bit shorter than Mosley, at 5-foot-9. And Mosley (44-4 with 37 KOs) is a more dangerous opponent that Whitaker was, a harder puncher with more gas left in his tank. This fight should be more competitive and possibly as foul-filled as Trinidad-Whitaker.
    Maybe the biggest repeat of history could come after the fight. By establishing himself as a fighter to be reckoned with, Trinidad's win set up his multimillion-dollar "Fight of the Millennium" later in 1999 against De La Hoya. Cotto, if he wins, could pick up an Oscar of his own, potentially bringing his growing reputation into the next big-money battle against De La Hoya in May.

    Trinidad-Whitaker and Cotto-Mosley


    The BreakdownFelix Trinidad vs. Pernell WhitakerMiguel Cotto vs. Shane MosleyMadison Square GardenlocationMadison Square GardenFeb. 20, 1999dateNov. 10, 2007IBF welterweight title titleWBA welterweight title Puerto Rican, 26champion's nationality, agePuerto Rican, 2733-0, 29 KOschampion's record30-0, 25 KOsAmerican, 35challenger's nationality, ageAmerican, 3640-2-1challenger's record44-4Lightweight, light welterweight, welterweight, junior middleweightchallenger's prior titles Lightweight, welterweight, junior middleweightSweet Peachallenger's nicknameSugar Shane
     
  2. standing 8countboxing

    standing 8countboxing Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I see what said author of this piece is getting at. Young superstar vs. old king, but the fighters themselves are totally different. Pernell was defensive, Shane is offensive, Cotto is more of a body puncher, etc. I'm pumped for this fight, it's very hard for me to pick a winner. I'm leaning towards Cotto.
     
  3. Tito Time

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    Whitaker was younger then shane at that time....
     
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    standing 8countboxing Well-Known Member Full Member

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    What's the point here? Even with your tito avatar you do seem like a big of enough boxing fan to realize that there real ages and boxing ages...Pernell was a good deal more past it then Shane is now
     
  5. Jorodz

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    oh, was whitaker on crack?
     
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    whitaker didnt have any KO power for tito to respect. so offensively, he wasn't a threat at all.
     
  7. brooklyn1550

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    Same scenario on paper - the older boxer from the USA vs. the younger pressure fighter from Puerto Rico.

    But Mosley has more now than Sweet Pea did then. And Mosley's power exceeds Whitaker's.
     
  8. sthomas

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    Interesting reading. Much different fight though as others have mentioned. The one thing I am 100% confident in is Shane will give a lot more punishment than Whit. did. Might not win though but @ this point I'm going with Mosely.
     
  9. BlueApollo

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    Surprised no one has brought up that Tito was naturally at least two weight classes heavier than Pea and what, three, four inches taller? That had just a touch to do with the outcome as well.

    Also no one has mentioned that Pea was on crack. :lol:
     
  10. IsaL

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    Holy COW!!! Mosley's on the PIPE!!!!!!:shock:
     
  11. Tito Time

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    I was just stating the obvious... wierd similarities...
     
  12. Dorfmeister

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    I'm sorry to have not read fully your thread but it gives me the impression that you want to make it look like Trinidad-Whitaker when it doesn't have much to do with it... Whitaker could be old but always fought like a slick lefty on the back foot and couldn't possibly hurt Tito, didn't have the reach or the power, so how come you didn't remember about Tito vs Hopkins and the Philly man was taller and rangier like the Pomona man is to the big left hook puncher Cotto, that fight is even more recent, involves Tito from PR and a 36 year-old-man ( gym rat as Shane and his partner in GBP) and it was in MSG, NYC??? I guess that you don't have an answer to that... It's all good, Cotto may win as well as the inverse of that.
     
  13. Bigcat

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    Shane will have far more plusses in this fight than negatives.. Shane isn't close to being over the hill.. Cotto often fails to impress me, Cotto may get himself stopped in this one.. I dont think he is up to it.......
     
  14. Tito Time

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    Whateva... :hat
     
  15. IsaL

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    :rofl:rofl:rofl

    U got pwned!