Cotto or Mayweather: Who has the better resume at Light welterweight.

Nobody outclassed Gatti like Mayweather did. Not even Oscar De La Hoya. Cotto and Hatton were inline to fight Mayweather, suddenly they werent ready. Thats an undeniable fact.



Btw Cotto is overrated at 140. Dropped 5 rounds to Malignaggi. Put on ***** street by Torres and Corley and was on his bike against NDou and dropped 5 rounds on one judges scorecard aswell.

Thus the excuses he was "drained". Cotto's legacy at 140 is only good because Mayweather would never waste his time beating up so many C and B level fighters when he was chasing the holy grail in Oscar.

 

Comparing their resumes at 147 is far more reasonable.

Comparing what Cotto did at 140 between 2002 and 2006 with what Mayweather did during his little one-year pit-stop there is not the least bit reasonable.

It's like asking "Who did better at 175 - Billy Conn or Tommy Hearns?"

 

Cotto

 

You haven't even begun to name all the quality opposition Cotto faced at 140. Ultimately, he beat all those guys that had him hurt and remains undefeated at the weight. Corley also hurt Mayweather (and Maidana). Getting hurt by him, or Torres doesn't mean anything but that you're human.

Juuko (also touted as a good win for Mayweather at super featherweight), John Brown, unbeaten Maussa, Sosa (who also challenged for Mayweather's lightweight title and was his third very tough fight in a row after the pair with Castillo), unbeaten Pinto, Randall Bailey - who's still making waves with his power six years later etc. Is there a reason you forgot all them? Is it maybe because you're not that big a boxing fan and don't know about them, or do they just not suit your particular agenda here?

Oh - and Paulie did not deserve 5 rounds, Boxrec warrior. In actuality it was more like three.

 

Mayweathers hurt vs Cotto's hurt isnt even close to the same. Mayweather was buzzed, Cotto was doing the chicken dance. He was dropped against Torres and looked finished.

All C level fighters. Contenders at best. Mentioning them would mean nothing. As to why when Im asked to post Mayweathers resume I dont post Juuko and Sosa. You have to do that with Cotto because here's a guy who wins vacated titles.

Again enumerate as to why Cotto lost 5 rounds to Ndou and the HBO team was lamenting when he had to get on his bike for the last 3 rounds?

Regardless how many rounds you decided to give Malignaggi. He was extremely competitive, even with a broken jaw. Much more competitive then he's been against other elite competition he's faced. Hatton and Khan virtually shutting him out.

 

OK.

Mitchell, Judah, Baldomir, Hatton, Marquez, and Mosley (all wins).

vs.

Quintana, Urkal, Judah, Mosley, Gomez, Margarito (loss), Jennings, Clottey & Pacquiao (loss).

Well, scratching off Judah and Mosley (one was a year apart and one was 2 1/2 years apart...these weren't vastly different versions that they faced...) we're left with:

Mitchell (old), Baldomir (barely world class, fluke titlist), Hatton (blown-up) and Marquez (old & blown-up).

vs.

Quintana (prime), Urkal (old), Gomez (barely world class), Margarito (loss), Jennings (barely world class), Clottey (prime) and Pacquiao (loss).

The Quintana and Clottey wins edge it for Cotto going purely off their wins...he did lose twice, however - which has to weigh into it.

I'd say a tie at 147 is more than fair, whereas 140 is a landslide victory for Cotto.

 

You're doing him a disservice then. They're not great wins for either fighter, but they're both "very good" scalps to have. My point in listing them was that Cotto had many "very good" scalps at 140, while Mayweather only had three. You'll also note that elsewhere in the thread it's been my stated opinion that Mayweather has the better record overall based on what he accomplished at the lower weights. This particular discussion is about 140 - where it's hands down for Cotto. Close to twenty "good (not great) wins" KO1 three "good (not great) wins".

Mayweather-Sosa is another one, like Cotto-Malignaggi where you can't just look at Boxrec for the official scorecards to get an idea of what happened (the former was closer and the latter was wider than the record reflects). Watch those fights, and tell me the judges weren't off.

 

Mayweather gets stick for fighting fighters like Sosa, Bruseles, Ndou, Corley, why would beating up a bunch of similarly talented fighters mean anything to his resume? Beating Randall Bailey would not be considered a good win for Mayweather. Its considered a good win for Cotto because his resume isnt that good and we know he's not an ATG level fighter or even close to it.

I agree that Cotto's resume is better at 140. But thats merely because Mayweather was already big-time and fighitng for pennies on undercards against C level fighters was no longer in his future.

However talent wise, its clear that Mayweather was superior to Cotto at 140. No way does he struggle against the same fighters Cotto struggled with.

I've seen the fight. Soto maybe won a round or 2 at best? Dont know if you were swayed by Soto landing punches against Mayweathers guard. Cotto vs Malignaggi was alot closer and competitive.

 

Gatti was beyond shot when he fought Gomez. And no it was no where near as masterful. Just a bigger guy beating up on a little guy. Mayweather was supposedly the smaller guy and outclassed him everyway. Few predicted an early KO.

Hatton and Cotto had the chance to fight Mayweather after the Gatti fight. Both declined or rather there teams declined after seeing what Mayweather did to Gatti. Both along the realms of "they arent ready" This is an undeniable fact. So obviously the team saw something in the Gatti destruction that you are willing to.

His entire career is overrated. A vacated title specialist. Picking off the weakest in his division. His only saving grace is the Mosley fight where again he was on his bike to finish the fight. Beat up by Margarito and PAcquiao and got a gift against Clottey. And most recently picked off the weakest titlest at 154.

Thats over 3 weight classes, not 1. There is a difference. with the 135 champion and best lightweight of the decade inbetween. No comparison.

Take away the Clottey gift and its equal. Not to mention Mayweather moved up and beat Oscar at 154 and that Oscar would have worked Cotto over something nice.

 

I would just add that Mayweather has better p4p opposition under 140 than Cotto had throughout his career (since obviously Cotto didn't compete under LWW so we can't compare head-on achievements at those lower weights).

Cotto having the much better record at 140, and a slightly better (or at least as good) record at 147 can't be argued with.