Cotto--single most overrated boxer today

Kessler is still kinda green compared to Judah's accomplishments. Zab is a two weight champ. Eubank is a different story, but wasn't he well past it when he fought Joe? Joe is a good to very good fighter overall. In the UK he's great. I rate a fighter by quality opposition.

 

Not my point. He's elite to me for what he's able to do in a ring, period.

Not my point again. Never wrote off Hatton's win over Tszyu, never thought Calzaghe would have lost to Lacy, etc.

BTW, by American-based boxer I guess you mean U.S.-based, not from the continent, right? According to your theory, wouldn't Mosley be the one to benefit from all the HBO/Showtime hype and not Cotto who happens to be Puerto Rican?

FYI, hype is not the exclusive skill and privilege of Americans.

And if the outcome goes the other way around, where will you be moving next?

 

Careful with that approach, here's what I mean.

The Flyweights division is very competitive in a sense that the parity is strong. Any boxer part of the top 10 or so Flyweights can represent quality opposition: according to your ranking method, a boxer like Nonito Donaire would be ranked highly given that Naito, Sakata, Wonjongkam, Narvaez, Darchinyan, Vasquez and I would add Parra are not far behind him.

If you look at the whole picture though, none of the above-mentioned boxers are considered top 30 P4P.

Conversely, the Jr. Lightweights division is now very much dominated by two boxers, Pacquiao and Marquez. Boxers like Guzman, Soto, Valero and Barrios are generally looked down as poor quality opposition for either Pac or Marquez. Unlike the Flyweights division, the parity is just not there. So, according to your ranking mehod, Pac's and Marquez' rankings would be affected negatively by the lack of opposition.

But, again, if you look at the whole picture, Guzman and Soto are P4P better than any current Flyweight while Valero and Barrios, who are not much of a challenge to Pac and Marquez, compare well with Flyweights contenders like Narvaez, Parra, Darchinyan and Vasquez, who in turn are not that far away from the top of their divison.

 

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Cotto has went from being one of the most underrated fighters on these boards in circa 2004 2005 to being one of the most overrated since 2006...

He will merit the hype if he beats Mosley but imo this is the first truly elite fighter he has faced...Judah has been trashed too many times before now for my liking

 

Yeah somewhat overrated, his best win is Zab Judah, who, as talented as he is, has been beaten by many guys now. Mosley is his first true elite fighter and we will see how his chin and defense holds up.

 

No. The key difference is how he beat him. Hatton beat Tszyu in a fight that was more of a wrestling match than a boxing match, via fouling and favorable actions by a biased referee. I find it funny how people regularly claim Cotto intentionally low blowed Judah, yet...the turning point in Tszyu-Hatton came with a deliberate left hook to the nuts courtesy of Ricky Hatton. Up until that point, the fight was virtually even. That is until Hatton decided to retaliate with a cheap shot, after getting dropped with a body shot, that the ref didn't care to acknowledge as a knockdown or low blow.

How can you say Castillo was more highly regarded than Judah, when is his previous fight, Zab won 4 of 12 rounds against the P4P champ in Mayweather, unofficially dropping him in the second, and hurting him in the 4th. While Castillo fights a fighter nearly KO'd by Emanuel Augustus to a split decision, and arguably even losing. The Reyes and Ngoudjo fights show that Castillo was clearly damaged goods after the wars with Corrales. Anyone with eyes can see this. Even Ricky knew this which is why he targeted Castillo, and couldn't do nothing but smile when Max Kellerman asked him in the post fight interview about fighting a Castillo that was past his best.

Overmatched, yet I doubt Hatton would "beat the crap out of" Judah, Quintana, and Malignaggi.

 

The problem being he had a lot of help from Dave Parris.
I agree with you, tonight will be Cotto's moment of truth.
December 8 will be Hatton's moment of truth, sans Parris.

 

smh, cotto is a beast.. single handedly the best body puncher in boxing right now, he has a good power, and he can box when he wants to... he's undefeated, willing to fight anyone, and he has beatin some notable fighters... zab, mallignaggi, torres, corley, n'dou etc..

so how exactly is he overated?, but it's ight though, its cool.. we'll all find out tonight, win or lose.. i'm pretty sure cotto's gonna impress you

 

If he wins tonight, surely no-one will deny that he's one hell of a fighter??

Then again, didn't I say the same last week about Calzaghe?? Haters can only hate I suppose?

 

margarito is the most overrated boxer today he only has 4 meaningful wins clottry cintron diaz lewis after that comes lujan and gomez who are average at best.

 

Shotgun are you telling me these guys have no pop?? :admin

Carlos Quintana? Zab Judah? Ricardo Torres? Mohamad Abdulaev? Randall Bailey? Carlos Maussa?

You know for sure huh? lol. Well then I guess there is no debate since Mr. Shotgun knows "for sure". :thumbsup

 

Listen buddy, It's not hard to believe that Bob Arum might be responsible all that much for Miguel Cotto's success as a prize fighter as he was with ODLH's, but the idea's not entirely farfetched.

Miguel Cotto still stopped Ceballos, Maussa, Sosa in a row before that 140-pound IBF eliminator/WBC Int. Title/WBA Latino Title with Lovemore NDou at the MGM Grand, LV...From there, it's all up-coming prospects ( from his class of 2000) mixed up with more experienced, good fighters - Pinto, Abdulaev, Torres, Malignaggi, Quintana with Bailey, Corley, Urkal, Branco and Judah - 10 World Title fights, 9 KOs ( Paulie going 12 pretty beaten up, bloody, broken jaw, et cetera), forget about A to E subjective classifications...

So that Cotto's detractors facilitating argument is not that clear ( that he has been put on the slow track by handlers against boxers who couldn't punch or against strong guys who couldn't box a bit), least of all to Cotto's supporters - it doesn't take a telepath to know that their reply would be hard and offensive, since emotion muffle thought.
From Kevin Lole ( who predicts 31 out of 31 for Cotto cause he already beat 30 justlikethat) to HBO's Bob Canobbio ( who predicts Mosley by 10th round TKO based on CompuBox stats, reach-height-speed arguments), there's always a secret desire behind well-contructed arguments. I suggest that we all go along to get along cause there are enough cases for each of the expected scenarios. Please, consider that every single guy who puts himself on the line for Cotto may sink with him, and every single guy who questions his achievements, probably pays if he's proven uncorrect tomorrow night, regardless of the unfairness of such.