Cotto there for the taking, Khan would do a great number on him..

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  1. dftaylor

    dftaylor Writer, fanatic Full Member

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    HA! Love it. :lol:
     
  2. Go Getta

    Go Getta Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I agree Khan will never be a puncher, but I think he just needs a bit more pop which I think at 147 he might get to earn a bit more respect and not get walked down that easy.

    Khan getting walked down that easy is not a good sign, having a bit more pop might make the fighter's not be as bullish.
     
  3. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    Let's say he did somehow find 5% more punching power (where from I've no idea, simply adding 7lbs onto legs even if they could do that which is very unlikely isn't going to miraculously give him punch power).

    His opponents will be bigger, and generally have better chins at 147, as a general rule. So its not going to make a difference anyway.
     
  4. Trickster

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    Lets say he does find "a bit more pop" at 147, the guys up there are used to fighting naturally harder punchers anyway and Khan would be giving up the reach advantage that he's so often had at 140 and below.

    Moving from 135 to 140 was important at the time and Khan improved because he was dead at 135. He doesn't appear to be struggling at 140 though so I don't see him improving as a direct result of moving up. The only reason for him to look at a moving up is if he feels that the competition at 140 is running dry, other than that it's not necessary and moving up 7lbs at this point won't turn him into a monster.
     
  5. Go Getta

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    Legs being part of the issue, let's say Khan right now SHOULD BE a 147 fighter, but is cutting down to 140 using world class S&C and hard dedication in training and diet.

    So when moving to his SHOULD BE natural weight now of 147, his all round chin, stamina, power, focus, ect ect should improve, then holding his own vs his own weight fighter's might be easier.
     
  6. dftaylor

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    :huh
     
  7. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    Just stating it as fact doesn't make it true.

    Khan can't punch because he's not set up to deliver a punch. Jumping in throwing flurries with both arms doggy paddle style is not the type of punching that is destructive, that's what 90% of Amir's work is. Particularly beyond say round 4 when he hasn't got his opponent out there, he gets more and more predictable and has to doggy paddle to keep his opponent off.

    Khan can punch a little harder when he digs the shot in correctly, see the Maidana knock down. This is obvious, and common sense. Compare this to 90% of the stuff he did against Peterson and realize why ordinarily Khan can not punch when 90% of his style is set up to not punch correctly, and why adding on 7lbs is not going to reveal a miraculous change in fortunes UNLESS he cuts down work-rate and tries to box-punch more. But again, this could reveal past problems once again so its a trade off, as Roach well knows.
     
  8. SkillspayBills

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  9. Trickster

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    There is no evidence that he should be at 147 though, I haven't seen or heard anything to suggest that he's struggling. Whenever I've heard him talk about moving up it's been about moving up to chase the big names that were at 147 rather than because he's tight at the weight.

    Also, you mentioned that getting walked down was a problem for Khan at 140. The problem there appears to be technique and ability rather than strength. His appalling footwork and lack of inside game are the reasons why he struggles when he's pressured.
     
  10. Go Getta

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    I am saying Khan is now becoming tight at the weight.
     
  11. dftaylor

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    I know what you're saying, it just makes no earthly sense.
     
  12. Go Getta

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    Khan has stated a few times he finds it hard to make 140, but he can still make weight.
     
  13. Peter__1987

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    Go Getta can i ask you a question, are you just trying to wind everyone up with these silly statements about Khan or are you really that ****ing stupid?

    I cannot believe that anyone who watches the sport of boxing would actually pick Amir Khan over Miguel Cotto.

    If Lamont Peterson can bully you, out fight you, out work you, pin you against the ropes, keep you on the back foot for 12 rounds then sure as there are stars in the sky Miguel Cotto will ****ing MURDER YOU!

    As i said, it would be a man against a boy.

    Your intense love for Khan is annoying me, please stop.
     
  14. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    Bottom line is, there are a myriad of factors that contribute to Khan's ability (or lack thereof) to deliver a punch. Style, protecting weaknesses, technique, being most of these. Even if we give you the benefit of the doubt here and subscribe to this theory that at the moment has no evidence based in reality; that he's incredibly tight at the weight and its affecting every attribute he has except for power, there are still a number of other factors involved that you wholly fail to account for in your analysis.
     
  15. Go Getta

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    So this spins back to me saying hoping Khan is less mobile at 147 point, and standing his ground a bit more which in turn gives him a chance to plant his STRONGER LEGS, and get off more meanful punches, not his moving pitter patter.


    That's all I was saying from the start.