**Cotto v Margartio. Official Analysis and Avatar Bets Thread**

So, if Cotto is going to get hit, let's say a fair amount, maybe even alot - can he take Margarito's punches? Because this is where the people who are picking Margarito are getting their conclusions. They believe that Cotto will have a hard time taking Margarito's punches. Inevitably, Cotto is going to get hit with those big shots, probably in combination, and Miguel simply does not have the defensive skill or the elusiveness to keep that from happening consistantly or for very long.

The people picking Margarito also feel confident that Margarito can take Cotto's punches. Can't blame them either, Margarito is known for taking punishment. He seems to like it.

 

This fight will be much like Palomino Vs. Benitez
Except this time Wilfred is getting Knocked out. [Cotto]

 

I can see your argument. However, I guess we differ in that I dont see Cotto taking those big shots. I particularly dont see him taking shots big shots in combination from marg. I say this b/c I dont believe marg has fast enough hands to land combinations on Cotto. He may land one big punch here and there, but I dont think he will be able to put enough together at one time to really hurt Cotto.

Again, Margarito can only land shots like that against fighters who stand in front of him. Cotto is not going to stay in front of him, at least I hope he doesnt

but for the sake of your argument, let's say Cotto does get caught in Combination by Margarito. Do i think Cotto would get Ko'd? I say no b/c I believe Marg's KO power is overrated and I thinik Cotto's chin is a lot better than people give him credit for. The uppercuts that Judah caught him with amazing and Cotto barely flinched. I know Judah isnt the biggest welter, but you cant take away from those punches he landed.

Also, contrary to what people say, I dont think Kermit caught Marg with anything great right on the chin. so when people say Marg took kermits best shots, i dont believe it. He took some good ones, but kermit is not accurate, has no foot movement, and is a terrible combination puncher. he also doesnt have a plan b.

Cotto has great foot movement, power equal to margs, a chin slightly not as good, better speed, agility, equal stamina, etc...

I guess on paper, Cotto should win this hands down. But marg will be game, but in the end Cotto will be victorious rather easily

 

-I'm not convinced Cotto's chin, stamina, and psyche will hold-up for 12 rounds of Margarito's pressure.

-Cotto is most comfortable when he is given room and time to execute his game plan. All most all of his opponents have accomodated him, Margarito won't.

-I am not convinced that Margarito won't have one of his off nights

 

Mosley didnt give him much room and he outboxed him. N'dou didnt give him much room and he easily outboxed him while breaking one of his ribs. Abdullaev had him on his back foot for a lot of the fight and he made abdullaev quit.

One thing everyone needs to remember is that Margarito hasnt defeated a fighter any where near as good as Cotto while Cotto has beaten fighters better than Marg. he hasnt fought anyone that is as relentless, but Margarito is nothing special.

 

Great post, I agree with almost everything. Cotto is an overall better fighter and has proven it against better competition. He has superior speed, skillset, timing, footwork, defence and I expect him to utilisize all these advantages to the fullest. Marg is a big, strong, highworkrate fighter but his overall sloppiness and lack of defence will cost him against a technically fine fighter like Cotto.

Cotto definately holds the advantage from long range, where he will be able to land his jab and sharper punches through Marg's defence (while using lateral movement to control the pace). However on the inside Cotto is also a very sharp combination puncher with tight defence and a brutal body attack. No one yet has got the better of Cotto up close and this will be no different- Marg lacks the speed, or skillset to do so.

Although Marg has the reach and height adavantage Cotto has proven in the past that he can overcome such a thing (As MSTR highlighted). His superior timing and jab will nuetralise Marg's reach advantage allowing Cotto to fight his fight. Another thing that must be considered is the Marg doesn't generally use his height/reach to his advantage, prefering to bulldoze his way up close and outwork his opponent. His lack of a definative jab will allow Cotto to get off with hard counters without taking to much in return.

Cotto UD (basically a shutout), although a late stoppage on accumilation isn't out fo the question.

 

None of those fighters are near the level of pressure fighter that Maragarito is; though some (Mosley) are without a doubt better than Maragrito.

It's a matter of styles making fights. Once you realize this, you'll understand that it doesn't matter that Cotto is the better boxer, with the better pedigree, who has fought and beaten the better competition.

There is certainly nothing wrong with picking Cotto to win this fight (the odds are in his favor). However, you should ask yourself how this fight will play out, rather than decide that: "Cotto is the more accomplished boxer: therefore, Cotto wins."

As for those picking Cotto by KO/TKO. How are you coming to this conclusion? Do you know anything about either fighter?

 

In this fight something has to give. I think it will be close early but I like how people say Margarito likes punishment. I would like to point out that Cotto has heart and people who say that he will be disheartened when Margarito does not show hurt against his punches will probably make him just want to hit him even harder. Plus, will Margo keep walking in if he gets tattooed from the body earlier and often. Sounds like a Ricardo Mayorga too me except it will be to his body not the head.

 

Well, we're on different pages, but we shall see on the 26th!

 

I see what you are saying. Just so you know though, I dont pick Cotto based on his resume or pedigree. I base it on what I've seen from both fighters.

Let's see...
1) Cotto has shown that he can adapt to any style (i.e pressure, boxer, faster hands)
-Margarito only has one style. he hasnt shown he can adapt. This
is probably b/c Margarito hasnt faced many different styles before.
He usually has looked great against fighters who will just stand
there to get killed.
2) Cotto has one of the best jabs in boxing today. I think this will be
for Cotto making this fight easy. I dont care what people say about
Marg likes to take punishment. That is BS. No one wants to get hit
with a sledgehammer jab all night.
- Margarito's jab is pretty much non-existent.
3) All this talk about margarito's reach advantage is stupid b/c Marg
doesnt know how to fight tall.
4) Margarito has a great work rate, but Cotto is also known to get
stronger as a fight goes on. Margarito has never shown he can
pressure an elite fighter. Of course he has a great work rate against
lesser opponents. Margarito is not going to throw over 100 punches
per round against Cotto. If he does, he will leave himself open too
much. I do think margarito has more stamina than Cotto, but again
Marg has never been in the ring with world class competition (prime
or not)

There is much more to say, but there is no need. I pretty much see the fight playing out exactly the way the original poster has it, except I give margarito a little bit more credit to say he wont get KO'd. I believe either man can KO the other. But then again, that can happen in any fight really. I see Cotto winning a wide unanimous decsion along the lines of 10-2 or 9-3

 

Alright, sounds good. :good

 

true indeed my friend. we shall see. may the best man win.

on another note, i'd like to say it's quite relieving to have a boxing debate without the extreme nuthugging or ridiculous claims.

it's a breath of fresh air to debate about cotto and marg in a civilized way rather than listening to people say fighters are the best just b/c they say so with no real back up.

 

I just think that Cotto makes his punches count. Why would he want to waste energy on throwing punches he knows that will just miss? He will throw if the opportunity presents itself and will inflict maximum damage on Margarito. Plus, I would like to see if Margarito keeps pressuring after getting hit by powerful jabs and crunching body shots from Cotto...