**Cotto v Margartio. Official Analysis and Avatar Bets Thread**

The little straight left hand that Judah landed at the end of the 2nd round says otherwise.

 

Cotto is going to brutalize Margo's long lean body, He'll throughly outclass the limited Margo with his accurate jab, speed and movement which Margo will have no answer for. Cotto is by far the smarter fighter and Margo won't be able to make any adjustments in this fight. Cotto by wide UD or late round TKO.:deal

 

Of course he can hurt him, but Cotto can hurt Margarito just as bad. His chin isn't as amazing as everybody thinks it is. I don't think Margo will put Cotto down for the count though, he's got to much heart. He showed that against, Torres, got put down by a big puncher with a drained chin and got back up to KO him.

Zab's not exactly feather fisted though. He's still one of the hardest hitting 147's out there. If he had taken that shot at 140 he would of been in more trouble, I'm not saying he can't be hurt at 147 but his chin is visibly stronger imo.

 

Bumping the thread up.

 

Any new news on the showdown between champ Miguel Cotto and Antonio Margarito?

 

The news is Marg is still the same one dimensional fighter that relies on guys freezing up while he swings away.

let's be honest if you had any fighter you wanted to prepare for knowing no matter what his style won't change then Marg is up there.

For the life of me I can't see how Cotto doesn't systematically break Marg down for the very reasons stated in the initial post. His style just won't hurt Cotto imo.

 

Margarito is a trench warrior type more than anything. He's not there to outwit - just outlast. If an opponent can be broken, Margarito will break them. Physically and/or mentally they will get broken up.

The only 147 pounder to stand up to Margarito through combat in recent history, Paul Williams, is currently looking for a fight with Kelly Pavlik. Paul Williams ain't no chicken****. It takes some serious guts to face down Margarito.

Personally, I'm not much of a fan of Margarito. To me he's nothing special and I don't prefer to watch him. But I sure as **** wouldn't want to fight him.

Cotto always defers to his company matching him with opponents, but judging by the way he publicly stated several times that "Margarito missed his chance," ect, it didn't seem like Cotto wanted to fight him either. If Top Rank hadn't backed Miguel into a corner I doubt this fight would be happening.

 

I respond late because i read it late but there are a few things i dont agree on with your argument. For example "but Cotto can hurt Margarito just as bad" I really think i know Cotto is capable of hurting Margarito, but not as easily as Margo, and by "easily" i mean with fewer punches, and i think this point will be proven through out the fight as we see that Cotto hits Margo with a lot more punches than what Margo hits Cotto with to really get him in danger of stoping the fight. Margo's chin is that good, the key for Cotto truly hurting him is in 1- quantity and 2- quality = counter punching
The other exmple is "I don't think Margo will put Cotto down for the count though, he's got too much heart'" Well actually, i dont think Margo will put Cotto down for the count, but i dont think it's due to heart, i think it will have a lot to do with skills and conditioning. Remember, heart only keeps you fighting, it doesnt mean you will recuperate, and if u do stand up on heart alone I'm pretty sure the referee will do his job and stop the fight.

 

Not even close.

For starters Margarito doesn't have a particular style. A brawler like Margarito is unpredictable. The only thing you can count on is setting traps on him. IF he falls for it.

Ask yourself why Sam Solimon was all over Winky Wright's ass like flies to ****. The reason was due to the fact that Solimon was so random the better boxer Wright could not cope. He was getting tagged all over the place.

Boxers are trained to expect certain things. A brawler can be so random it becomes really difficult to follow. Forrest-Mayorga for another example.

It could be a wild hook, a long right hand, a lead uppercut, a lead body shot, whatever. Margarito brings everything but the kitchen sink and he just throws on instinct. He isn't following a particular punch pattern so it's a little harder to figure out what he is gonna do.

As I stated before many times Clottey is the only guy in recent memory that has deflected Margarito's punches. And he only did that because of his shell guard. If he was fighting out of a half guard or a split guard he would have taken many more punches.

Cotto will be fighting out of that split guard most likely and he'll be getting tagged because he'll be open over the top, up the middle and underneath. As always. And believe me camp Margarito has taken note.

When it comes to brawlers Margarito is top class. Cream of the brawler crop. They don't come any better. The way he forces his opponents to fight his fight is a thing of beauty. All of them ended up in his fight, even Clottey. Williams beat him on sheer durability and size. Cotto won't have that satisfaction.

 

I think every fighter has a particular style, even Margarito. Interesting you bring up Soliman and Mayorga, but the thing is when they gave trouble to the fighters you mentioned they were virtualy unkown and really surprised them and many fans. But thats not the case with Margarito,he is very well known and belive me the Cotto Camp has taken note to study Margo also. Now, just think of what happened to Soliman and Mayorga when they finally hit the spotlight... they got figured out, so instead of Forrest/Mayorga try more a DeLaHoya/Mayorga, and instead of Soliman/Wright check out Soliman in his last two fights in the contender where he was beaten by lesser boxers than Winky Wright.

 

Yes, you're right.

 

Solimon gave Wright trouble because Wright is the kind of boxer who looks for counter opportunities. Both Mundine and Bika are very physical fighters. Both are likely also bigger than Solimon although I'd have to have a look at the stats. Fact is a brawler stepping up in weight against two physical opponents will have a hard enough time as is.

DLH beat a faded Mayorga. A Mayorga that was thoroughly dominated by Felix Trinidad who was also coming off a long layoff. I don't think that Mayorga was anything like the Mayorga who knocked out Forrest. He was far more predictable at that point, not to forget slower too.

So plainly I disagree that Solimon or Mayorga got "figured out." It's more of a case of stepping up in a weight class/time where you simply don't belong.

You strike me as the type of person who has seen very few of Margarito's fights. His performances between Clottey, Lujan, Santos, Cintron, Williams all look very different. Granted he looks the best when he is aggressive like he was against Cintron in the rematch.

Against Cintron the first time he spent a lot of time taking two steps back. He avoided left hooks this way as well as right hands. In the rematch he felt more comfortable with Cintron's power so he didn't take those steps back. He fought to push Cintron back as early as round 1 in typical hard-nosed fashion.

And I find his angles are anything but conventional. He leads with the uppercut which is usually a bad thing for most boxers. He also throws a looping right hand while moving in instead of just using it to catch guys backing out. His uppercuts inside are timed yes, but sometimes they aren't. All in all it is very fair to say Margarito is random.

A swarmer who uses all technique is like the young Shane Mosley. Someone who always works behind a jab and always looks to pin the opponent. Someone who throws upstairs and downstairs but every punch is planned. Margarito is not like this. For good and bad Margarito is just random.

My point was that Wright as a boxer was at a loss for figuring out how to work with Solimon. He ended up eventually fighting Solimon's fight and got hit more than he typically does. It had nothing to do with a bad style matchup. Solimon has NO style.

There is a reason why everyone Margarito has fought recently has ended up fighting his fight. It's because of his random nature and how difficult it is to box him. Some very capable cool-headed boxers like Daniel Santos have come up against Margarito and have been lured into his kind of fight. That happens for a reason.

See above.

Are you telling me you've never seen Margarito throw a wild punch? I see it all the time. In almost every fight. I don't know what you are watching here. Watch sometimes how he'll counter with the left hook. Or lead with an uppercut. That is anything but normal.

Margarito did not miss Santos or Williams. Lujan damn near lost an ear. Are you trying to tell me these guys made Margarito miss all night? Stop drinking the kool aid. The writing is on the wall and a detached ear.

He'll land because he won't give Cotto an inch to breathe. That's how. He'll smother Cotto and make him work at a pace he is uncomfortable with. He won't dance around and look for a 1-2 to land. He's gonna attack Cotto and look to land his random punches. He'll take Cotto out of that comfort zone and when that happens the boxing goes right out the window. It becomes a fight. It becomes what Margarito wants. Which is exactly what he did to Santos, Williams, Lujan and many others.

Again, stop drinking the kool-aid.

And I don't bet. I never do. Not on boxing.