**Cotto v Margartio. Official Analysis and Avatar Bets Thread**

Cotto by UD.

 

I don't know who will win that fight, but it should be a war. I will not be surprised if Margarito stops Cotto though.

 

I actually think this fight might make it the cards. I don't quite have the balls to put my money on Cotto by tko

I think I will be looking for a Cotto Ud (maybe 9-3). I might be letting the Mosley fight get into my head too much though, I will admit. We saw Cotto put it in cruise control once the fight was in the bag, but the difference is that Mosley is more dangerous than Margo imo, so a stoppage is highly possible.

 

I already told you Solimon has no style. Where are you getting this idea that he has style in the ring? He DOESN'T! He has about as much style as Andrew Hartley. And I don't think it is his intention to have a particular style anyways.

Wright is first and foremost a boxer. A trained boxer who is looking for particular breaks or openings off of punches. Of course he needs to see a particular rythmn in his opponent, like any boxer, before he counters. Solimon had no such rythmn so it made it very hard to counter effectively off of him.

First off stop avoiding my point. Solimon had less success against Mundine and Bika because they are both bigger than Wright and more aggressive. Secondly I don't care if Solimon has campaigned at middleweight his whole career. His brawler approach did better at 154 because he's fighting smaller guys who don't hit him as hard. As a brawler you have to expect that you will get tagged. Stepping in against bigger, more aggressive opponents usually spells doom for the brawler.

What the hell are you talking about? Look who I quoted there. I wasn't speaking to you about this.

I wouldn't call Margarito's performance against Lujan a failure. That was typical start late finish strong Margarito. Lujan had his moment in the sun early as most opponents do against Margarito. But lets not forget who had a torn ear by the time the fight ended. And the same could be said of Clottey who fell apart as the fight wore on. Margarito is a 12 round fighter through and through. If you plan on beating Margarito you had better pack a lunch.

He clearly showed that he can do different things. He beat Cintron on the outside before he even bothered stepping in. He was nailing Cintron with rights on the outside both lead and counter. His footwork was better and his inside work was better. All around he was simply better than Cintron. He also made it a point to start faster than Cintron because he knows Cintron is a big puncher and he knows he can't let Cintron lead.

Margarito attacked Santos and also attacked Clottey (which had more to do with his ankle but whatever). Against guys that didn't have Cintron's power it's pretty evident that Margarito waded in with no respect. He walked through Clottey's punches and he also walked through Daniel Santos' punches. Against Lujan he didn't know what to expect so he was reserved until he found out that Lujan wasn't a threat and then he unloaded on him, nearly tearing off his ear in the process.

He never does huh? I go back to my original point. You are not seeing what the rest of us see.

Again, new fan, doesn't really follow Mosley's early career. It's pretty typical on this forum. Mosley when he started out was a swarmer/puncher. Go look at his early fights.

It isn't style. Style is something that can be identified and doesn't look much different at different times. JT has style. Winky Wright has style. BHops has style. Sam Solimon has NO style.

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Come on. Are you telling me that Santos didn't get pulled into Margarito's fight? That is ridiculous. Watch more of Santos please and get back to me.

Williams also ended up slugging it out with Margarito as the fight wore on because he couldn't keep Margarito off him. And those shots were heard all around the home depot center.

I never said countering with the left hook makes a fighter unconventional. It is just one piece of what Margarito does that makes him unpredictable. It is the manner in which he counters with the left hook.

What are you getting at here? Every boxer misses punches. Trite point. Lujan had one functional ear by the time that fight ended. Don't be a ****** by defending that point that he missed Lujan alot. Obviously he hit Lujan enough to rip his ear from his head.

You don't have to lay on top of an opponent to smother his work. You just apply pressure at a distance he cannot function at. For Margarito that is on the outside. Cotto will have to reach to hit Margarito from the outside as well, which means he'll be leaning in, which means that he'll be open for the uppercuts.

I answered your posts, Kool-Aid. :rofl And no I don't bet. Because I find it a ridiculous concept. You have your opinions, I have mine and we'll see who is right come july 26th.

 

Sorry to butt in but I think my post started this anyway.

Fundamentally Marg's fight patterns do not change. All fighter have random punch selections and nobody could watch a few tapes and immediately predict every angle, but there's plenty with Marg that allows an elite, adaptable boxer in Cotto to prepare for this fight knowing that he is sloppy in number of key area's.

Marg's basic pattern would be a soft pawing jab to distance before either a winging left or right, always looking for the big uppercut at any distance followed by more looping left or rights, the odd straight right, odd left hook....moving forward mainly, less effective when back anyway, mostly leading......No angles, No head movement, No feints, No Evasiveness, Weak jab, Weak defence, Limited movement. Without going into all of Cotto's strengths again, these are major flaws Cotto will capitalise on.

Cotto's too smart to stand toe to toe like Lujan did, Cintron even Clottey late, and moves away to re-load and follow the same destructive pattern over and over.

Those that have struggled against him were either C level fighters, changed their fight plan to prove to themselves they had Marg's heart or did not do their homework, Cotto will.

You know Marg will come at you hard when he's been hit, you know he will cop a heap of punishment and survive and you know he has enough power to seriously hurt you and he has the stamina fight till the end, but his not in the same class as Cotto.

On your other points, Winky had never seen Soliman fight before. He had just come off the Mosley, Trinidad fights and was forced by the relevant abc to fight Soliman and was hardly inspired to do so.

Secondly watch the latter rounds of the fight, Winky started to adapt to Soliman's style (Soliman has huge endurance as well) and gained control. This would have happened earlier had Winky not taken this fight for granted imo.

Please watch Mundine fight Soliman again because it's hardly Mundine's aggression and size that influences the outcome.

 

Couldn't agree more, if someone said Marg has a punchers chance in this match-up then fair enough but an essay style break down of a bunch of ridiculous comparisons to how he would win had me slightly frustrated.

 

Sure they all try and do something different. But typically the ones with true style can be studied and figured out easier than you figure out a guy who just goes on instinct. Some guys are difficult to get anything done without the jab. Some guys you can't get to use a jab to save your life. This is because they aren't natural fighters. They are studied fighters. They learned how to box the textbook way. Margarito doesn't have that problem. He just throws on instinct. He is a natural fighter. He might not be the fastest guy around or the most clever but his instinctual approach to the game promises punches from many different angles. And that approach makes him unpredictable.

I disagree that he follows a basic pattern. He hit Cintron with a few lead right hands and also led with the uppercut against Clottey and Lujan. He showed more defense against Cintron in one fight than he did in the 3 fights prior. And that had little to do with Cintron.

The remark about his defense would hold water if it weren't for his granite chin. He tucks his elbows well to block body shots and pretty much eats hooks and right hands at will upstairs. Because he can. I would not call this a major flaw unless you envision Cotto somehow hurting Margarito upstairs. I don't see that happening so to me it isn't a flaw.

Is that why he stood toe to toe with Torres then? You can't tell me Cotto is too smart for that when he's been there and done it.

Why do people issue grades to fighters as if this is some kind of classroom competition? These guys are fighters. In fights the rules go right out the window.

If we are going on credentials then lets look at Daniel Santos. Pretty damn good amateur who had 10lbs on Margarito and a typically elusive southpaw style. Even he was dragged into Margarito's fight. Santos usually isn't dragged into slugfests. But because Margarito would not stop moving forward and hitting Santos he had no choice. He had to fight Margarito's fight.

Same class nonsense again. This is not a classroom. This is boxing. Cotto may have more finesse, more understanding of the sport but when the fight breaks out **** falls back on instinct. What you have inside of you comes out. And you either have it or you don't. I'm pretty sure Cotto has it but I think Margarito has more of it.

I saw the Mundine fights. Solimon was beaten by a bigger, more aggressive opponent. I see no reason to even contest that.

Sure Wright has a legitimate excuse if he didn't see Solimon fight before (which honestly I don't buy). If it were true then he'd possibly do a little better. But remember Solimon won't stop unless you put some hurt on him. Wright can't do that. So a guy like Wright may always have problems with Solimon.

 

Instinct is great with supreme ability otherwise it's not enough unfortunately.

I could probably find more variables to marg's game if I looked harder, point is sloppy punches with the same movement and technical issues Marg has won't help him at the highest level.

I honestly belive he'll take a greater number of cleaner shots in this fight than against any other opponent his faced. I have already said his chin is a strength but there is also this element boxing called points, and unfortunately for Marg, Cotto will look good pounding his face with the jab all night.

Time will tell I guess.

If nothing else hence the reason he won't do that here. To be fair Toress has a style suitable for risk taking hence the eventual KO. Marg does not.

:huh Out of interest, do you have a high success rate with your fight picks?

Pls refer to my initial post.

This is a whole different arguement, you analyse a fight or any contest based on the abilities of the combatants. Every fghter that steps into the ring has certain qualties including instincts but that alone is not the be all and end all. I use all sorts of variables when assessing a fighter, you need to broaden your horizon's mate.

watch it again

Won't stop coming unless hurt is one thing, again your limiting yourself, there are whole range of variables that win you a fight and a winky did it on more than instinct for example.

 

That fight was a close one. I don't see what Wright did besides fight Solimon's fight. Care to elaborate?

 

Kool Aid it's fine that you think this or that. But I was around when Shane was coming up. And he WAS considered a swarmer.

We'll see. That's all I leave it at. We will see.

 

haha sorry bout the quotes