Cotto VS Canelo: A Technical Summary

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  1. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    I see it, it doesn't work for you? Maybe because it's embedded. Here's the link:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cl2QDity9TQ

    Ah, well that goes without saying! Thanks a lot bud.

    I wish I were! I was hoping it was in New York back during negotiations hehe.
     
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  2. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Looking forward to watching tonight when I relax. I'm gonna toke up and give it my full attention.

    :good
     
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  3. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    I guess IB couldn't care less.:lol:
     
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  4. hankhowdy1

    hankhowdy1 Active Member Full Member

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    Canelo looks 185 in that pic.
     
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  5. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Good job Bogo! I'm sure that must have taken awhile to organize all of the examples you had for specific segments. My only criticism would be that sometimes your worded screen shots went by too quickly - and I'm a fairly quick reader as far as those things go, but I had to reverse once. (Also a bit of dead air/space around the 13 minute mark, if I'm nitpicking).

    You definitely provide some interesting things to think about, providing solid and numerous examples. Watching this (and 2 or 3 of your previous installments), I imagine the way our brains work is very different with the way we break down fights in our heads. I enjoyed seeing your vastly different, and more technically inclined outlook on things.

    One area where I strongly disagreed with you was the point on Canelo shying from Floyd's jab. While Miguel has an outstanding jab in his own right, I believe it was the hand speed and footwork that had Canelo most flustered, rather than being troubled by jabs in the more general technical sense. I just think he couldn't see the punches, and had no idea where they'd be coming from, and that's what made him falter so badly. Ditto for the portions he struggled against Lara, albeit to much a lesser watered-down extent.

    And then with Kirkland, I think that's a different thing altogether, still.

    But good job, man!

    :cheers

    I didn't see an official pick on your part, which I'm guessing was deliberate for the purposes of the video. So let's hear it? You were right last time you and I strongly disagreed on the outcome of a Cotto fight.

    :smoke
     
    Rumsfeld, Nov 19, 2015
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  6. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    Thanks a lot dude! I appreciate you giving it a look and the feedback.

    I don't think Cotto's jab is going to translate the same way Mayweather's did; my point was only that Canelo let Floyd take the lead and control the space when he should have said "**** your jab!" and gone true Mexican on him. But at his core, he's a counter-puncher himself, and I think he's still learning how to control the ring space while at the same time still feeding off his opponent's mistakes. It's Canelo's only real flaw IMO, his ring generalship. He gets backed up or taken along for a ride far too easily.

    On our styles, I think I tend to have a micro-view of the fights, whereas you have a more macro-view. I know mine tends to blind me sometimes if I focus too much on certain things.

    I slightly favor Cotto, but it's such a 50-50 fight. I hope I'm right this time too! But if not, hey, it's a torch-passing fight. Boxing history is full of 'em. Where's your vid/pick/post?
     
    Bogotazo, Nov 21, 2015
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  7. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    I get what you're saying about him being put on the defensive, against Floyd, to a lesser extent Lara, and in a different way with Kirkland. I do believe Cotto will have success doing that at times, particularly earlier in the fight.

    I still like the micro-macro distinction.

    Anyway, it's not so much an official pick that focuses exclusively on the fight, but this video pretty much sums up my views on the situation.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoXFwKfZCGs
     
    Rumsfeld, Nov 21, 2015
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  8. IsaL

    IsaL VIP Member Full Member

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    Cotto will succumb to the punishment .
     
    IsaL, Nov 21, 2015
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  9. babygangsta

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  10. joito3

    joito3 Active Member Full Member

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    Go watch Trinidad-Joppy and then watch Trinidad-Hopkins, then do yourself a favor and watch Canelo-Kirkland and then tune into HBO PPV tonight.

    Then watch history repeat itself !

    :)
     
    joito3, Nov 21, 2015
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  11. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    Lol! Man who knew you were such a brilliant vocalist AND lyricist? Enjoyed that. Don't worry, sooner or later, Golovkin will get his chance. His career is gradually ascending. Despite the run of bad luck, in some ways he's done it the best way possible, gradually stepping up his opposition. Nowhere to go but up and I think either above or below 160 he'll find his big name dance partner.

    Great point on each guy's stamina and Canelo's pacing.

    I also agree if Canelo gets the stoppage it will be accumulation, as Cotto has never been stopped cold and is riding a confidence high.

    Also, I think in terms of winning rounds, I would prefer Cotto's stamina flaw, where he slows down towards the end. Firing on all cylinders for 8 or 9 rounds and trying to hang on at the end to me is easier than constantly taking breaks. Who knows though, both guys might show improved conditioning. Canelo spent a lot of energy in the Angulo fight and Cotto looks much fitter with Roach. Man I can't wait.
     
    Bogotazo, Nov 21, 2015
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  12. Gannicus

    Gannicus 2014 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Time for me to watch GOAT poster Bogo's prediction video. I'm pumped for this one.
    Both suffer Gasnelogitis, so it'll be interesting to see how it turns out.

    I haven't sat down to think about it in depth at all :(
     
    Gannicus, Nov 21, 2015
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  13. RealBoxing

    RealBoxing Kill The Nonsense Full Member

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    :patsch
    :yep:yep:rofl:rofl:rofl:hey:hey
     
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  14. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    Neither fighter has improved their stamina.
    Cotto's stamina issues have shown in every A level fight he's had.
    Canelo paces himself against fighhters he's respectful of.
    Looks to me like he's afraid to consistently fight 3 minutes in rounds against his better opposition because he's afraid to leave himself in a situation where his tank is on empty and his opponents is not.
    Canelo doesn't respect Angulo's skill level, and I would think he'd view Angulo as slow enough to where he could guage and withstand his punches while buying time to get another wind.

    Canelo is so much smarter than most in this forum give him credit for, that wisdom however has played with his mind and made him overly conservative as to his choice to pace himself, thus offering less than a stellar workrate.
    His pacing himself wont become a problem against fighters he can outbox, but will in fights where he needs to press the fight because he's getting outboxed.
     
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  15. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    :lol::good

    How did you score it?

    I had it 115-113 for Canelo, and thought the rounds were far more competitive than the HBO commentators often suggested.
     
    Rumsfeld, Nov 24, 2015
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