Cotto vs Floyd resume @ 140 & 147

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  1. jlrivera81

    jlrivera81 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Who has the better resume at 140 & 147? Now, we are not talking about belts. We are talking about who has fought the better opposition as a whole.

    I say Cotto has the better resume of the 2 while Floyd gets more recognition b/c of the belts. Floyd is trying to let Cotto do his dirty work for him. Floyd has been sitting back making big money fights against paper champs and over the hill fighters, while Cotto has been fighting true, hungry contenders.
     
  2. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    The only paper champ that Floyd has fought was Gatti, meanwhile Cotto is a paper champ himself(name one beltholder he beat in the ring). Not only that, but he's talking about taking on another Floyd leftover.
     
  3. 41fever

    41fever Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Cotto does, but Floyd overall is great too....130 & 135. I think Baldo would of gave Cotto more problems than SSM bcuz he's sturdier and a REAL welter. 4 the smaller welters, Cotto is up there. PBF is fighting Hatton who is VERY dangerous. I thought Cotto would destroy HATTON in a fight, but I seen some weaknesses in Miguel vs SSM that Shane can't exploit, but Ricky could...combination punching. Torres and Zab did it. Styles make fights. Sugar Shane could of won if he fought the way he did vs DLH 1. How many yrs ago was that...he lost a step or two but still a stern test. Much respect to Cotto.
     
  4. jlrivera81

    jlrivera81 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    If your'e saying Cotto is a paper champ b/c he didnt take the belt from a title holder, then that's fine. I will not argue that point. My only argument is the level of competition they have both fought. I dont care about the belts. Who has fought the better overall competition in these 2 divisions?

    Basically, are Mayweather's victories against bruseles, gatti, mitchell, zab, baldomir, and de la hoya

    better than Cotto's victories over abdullaev, ndou, paulie, torres, zab, quintana, urkal, mosley?
     
  5. jlrivera81

    jlrivera81 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    41fever, i'm not doubting floyd's greatness at 130 & 135. Nor am I talking about the potential problems baldomir could have given Cotto. I want to know as of TODAY, who has had the better resume at 140 & 147.
     
  6. 41fever

    41fever Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Look @ my 1st sentence...
     
  7. bigtime9

    bigtime9 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Basically, are Mayweather's victories against bruseles, gatti, mitchell, zab, baldomir, de la hoya, hatton

    better than Cotto's victories over abdullaev, ndou, paulie, torres, zab, quintana, urkal, mosley?

    of course they are. floyd faced 2 active ring champs in baldo and hatton. how many have cotto faced.
     
  8. jlrivera81

    jlrivera81 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    my bad 41fever.

    BIGTIME, can you not read man. Who cares about the belts. Do you think Baldomir is better than all of those people on the list. Also, Floyd hasnt even fought hatton yet. Please stick to the question.
     
  9. brooklyn1550

    brooklyn1550 Roberto Duran Full Member

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  10. Lance_Uppercut

    Lance_Uppercut ESKIMO Full Member

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    Floyd beat @ 140...

    Demarcus Corley - who had just lost to Zab
    Henry Bruselles - Who he apparantly WAS FORCED TO FIGHT to get to Gatti
    Arturo Gatti - A fine titleholder, but clearly past his best and 'won' his title is a more dubious fashion.

    Cotto @ 140...
    Due to career being at 140, faced more fighters then Mayweather and more contenders.

    WINNER @ 140: Cotto due to longevity as well as opponents faced.

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    Floyd @ 147...

    Sharba Mitchell - Was KTFO of 140 and has looked shot ever since.

    Zab Judah - Lost all Undisputed WW crown in previous bout to unheralded journeyman. Aside from WW titles, his own tenuew @ 147 has been spotty at best.

    Carlos Baldomir - Won the lineal and Ring WW titles. HOwever, Baldomir was perhaps the weakest WW champ in 20 years. A journeyman who was in right place at right time vs. a headcase. Durable w/ heart, with a nice underdog story, but that's about it.

    Cotto @ 147...
    Carlos Quintana - Undefeated, but still seen as more prospect then legitimate contender @ WW. Did get impressive win over fellow prospect Joel Julio.

    Oktay Urkal - Was better @ 140 then 147. Seen as a potential spoiler, but his 147 tenure so far hasn't been anything a ton others have done.

    Zab Judah - Beat Zab who was coming off two losses, but beat him badley at least. Was seen as a better win for Cotto then Floyd's win because Cotto had not the status or acheivments of Floyd. Not a double standard, when you're seen as the best, you are held to a higher standard, and Floyd has always been held higher then Cotto.

    Shane Mosley - Won a tough but close decision over Sugar Shane, who was seen as best potential opponent for Mayweather. Shane easily won of the top 2-3 WW's in the world.

    WINNER @ 147....

    Mayweather, if only by a hair. Cotto's beaten the better single opponent in Mosley and beat Zab like Floyd wished he could, but Mayweather has the WW crown.
     
  11. jlrivera81

    jlrivera81 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Lance, I like your assessment. Although, I believe that Cotto also has the better 147 resume.
     
  12. 196osh

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    At 140 Floyd doesn't have that strong a resume, his best win is Gatti/Corley.
    Cotto spent his whole carrier at 140 and Torres/Malignaggi are better wins than that.

    I think that at 147, Cotto has faced better fighters.
    He doesnt have the belts, but their only commen opponent Cotto destroyed and Mayweather beat, quite comfortably. Cotto looked better in the win.
    He has also beat Mosley who is a much better fighter than anybody that Mayweather has faced.

    Also as for Mayweathers win over Baldomir is not his best win. Judah is. Judah if he was in a better state of mind would have beaten Baldomir.
     
  13. thewoo

    thewoo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    At 140 Cotto's oposition was nothing special. Hell most of the guys that he fought weren't even notable until after fighting him. At 147 he has faced very solid opposition but so has Floyd. Baldomir is at least as good a win if not better than quintana, they both fought Judah, and they both fought an over the hill great (though mayweather did his at 154)
     
  14. jlrivera81

    jlrivera81 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I dont think a win over baldomir was more impressive than Cotto's destruction over Quintana. Also, Mayweather beating DLH isn't as impressive Cotto beating Mosley b/c of DLH's inactivity and prior fights to fighting Mayweather. Everyone knows that DLH was a part-time fighter while Mosley was full time and much more of a threat.
     
  15. PH|LLA

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    its Cotto, not really debatable.

    overall better resume is Floyd.