Cotto vs Hatton = slaughter, not slugfest

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  1. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    1 minute Mike Tyson was smaller than at least 80% of his opponents.Roy was MUCH smaller than Ruiz when they fought. Byrd has ALWAYS been smaller than most of his opponents. They have all had succesful careers.So how come Ricky gets a bly from you just because his reach is only 65 inches? If his so small why not make 35 or 30? I guess this is the reason why his interested in a fight with Manny, and why throughout his career his preferred to fight blown up super feathers. Anyone can look like a monster beating up smaller guys. All of a sudden when the bigger guys punch back Hatton is too small!!!
     
  2. kirk

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    In MY eyes???? no scurla... in REALITY, cotto is the bigger man. I brought up hattons height (which again... IS an inch SHORTER then the VERY SHORT cotto) to highlight the obvious, that hatton is a midget at 147.

    Now... if he was so stout and stocky that he PHYSICALLY was a 147lber, evident in the fact that he CAN NOT make 140lbs... then i would have no case, as IS the case with miguel cotto.

    but as is, in reality, cotto IS the larger man NOT because hes an inch taller (though when talking about the shortest fighter at 147lbs being only an inch taller then the subject at hand, ricky hatton, and therefore ricky should be able to do it too is a bit stupid) as an excuse to how cotto somehow has to deal with the same size adversity is negated entirely by the fact that cottos BODY SIZE makes up for that, not JUST in height, but because of his physical dimensions as well.

    again, cotto IS bigger... if he WASNT bigger, he could MAKE 140lbs.

    and again, i pointed out hattons height to highlight the FACT that he is a MIDGET at 147lbs

    you bringing up cottos height as evidence to point to someone who is dealing with the same adversity is nulled due to cottos size as a man PERIOD. cant even compare.... not to mention the fact that cotto is taller, but also has longer reach, and is like i pointed out above just an all around bigger man.

    lets not forget that cotto HIMSELF, is not large for WW. You are right when you say it is indeed a credit to cotto that he can be as dominant as he is, but then again, he is a LEGIT 147lber... 2 of his 5 wins have come against fighters who started below 147 in the first place, and the largest guy he HAS fought at welterweight is SHANE MOSLEY... so cotto himself hasnt had to really deal with the adversity of fighting a big WW.

    Let alone ricky doing it.



    i dont even understand what your saying right here... all the dross prior to hattons loss to zoo? hatton IS a monster at 140, he doesnt NEED a comeback fight, im saying im not BITCHING because hes taking one after getting knocked out.

    dont mis understand what im saying, i DO think cotto is a better fighter then hatton, and you cant find in the last two years where i have said otherwise, my beef is MAINLY with the fact that you and many other biased people hold the fact that ricky IS TOO SMALL like i have ALREADY pointed out to fight the large, elite WW's, against him AS A FIGHTER... when thats WRONG, because thats NOT HIS WEIGHT CLASS.

    you try to bring up other fighters that started low and did it (which i have already countered) when ignoring the fact that in BOTH height, reach, AND dimensions, they are bigger then hatton AND have COMPLETELY differant, less physical styles to help them be effective. (outside cotto)

    it is not rocket science to understand that a toe to toe, physical, mauling style of fighting like ricky hatton is not going to be as effective against a larger, stronger opponent, then a slick, boxing, countering, ect, style is. Thats rickys style, and he is a moster at against the only fighters that count, fighters his own size.

    Please... can we cut it with the whole 'bully' thing?? Fighters are men, are warriors that step in the ring to inflict damage on eachother, this whole 'this fighter is a bully' thing is so stupid. Hatton has already beat guys stronger then him, as imo collazo showed he was stronger or at least as strong as hatton, and hatton won that fight, however close it may have been.
     
  3. kirk

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    dude i cant keep doing this with you.

    Your trying to compare TYSON and ROY ****ING JONES's success (ALL TIME GREATS) against larger fighters and trying, in some way, to make the fact that hatton cant overcome those same adversities and hold it AGAINST him???????

    ITS MIKE TYSON AND ROY JONES dude!!! come on scurla....

    and honestly, GO LOOK at the actual height, reach, and then look at the PHYSICAL DIMENSIONS of the fighters roy jones faced, i will bet you anything that outside of ruiz, who is obviously a much larger man then roy, roy didnt have the height, reach and dimension differances between his opponents that ricky would have against the likes of margarito, williams, cintron,

    also....

    ITS ROY JONES

    im sorry man, im done.... ive said all i can say, it is BEYOND obvious how irrationally biased and blind you are on this subject for whatever reason. If you really think hatton lost all of a sudden because a 'bigger guy punched back' then theres nothing i can say. In the world of reality, if your not a good ****ing fighter, your not gonna make it far or last long in this brutal sport. You are really underselling how hard it is to be a champion.

    but im off... was good discussing with you though man :good
     
  4. UK2004

    UK2004 Active Member Full Member

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    I'm a Hatton fan but he would get stopped by Cotto unless he got a good bodyshot on Cotto, Cotto definetly had a suspect chin at 140lbs but is atalented fighter and a genuinely nice bloke as well.
     
  5. tis4u2envy

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    ACTUALLY YOU ARE THE MORON.
     
  6. Carlos Primera

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    even if hatton was the recognized man at 140, cotto's ledger is filled with definitive wins over a tougher level of competition in addition to titles in different divisions.
     
  7. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    None of the Hatton fans seem to realise this. Even when Cotto held the WBO at 140 i said then he was a better fighter than Hatton. His resume and body of work in half as many fights was better than Rickys.
     
  8. Druid

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    Cotto would beat Hatton at 140 or 147 at any time during their careers.
     
  9. ishy

    ishy Loyal Member Full Member

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    Even at 140 Cotto's beaten better fighters than Hatton. At 140 or 147 Cotto>Hatton.
     
  10. fitzgeraldz

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    boxing match ... I think both of those guys are equal in speed and both can box ... I would love to see this fight at a catchweight ... I think that somewhere down the line - they would have to slug it out to get some clarity ... Cotto would take a page out of PBF's book and try to sneak some left hooks in. Hatton's speed will help him from getting blown out ...
     
  11. rusticraver

    rusticraver Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Hattonis better in these sort of fights though.

    A 140 i can't see anyone demolishing Hatton. He is a beast at that weight and people have short memories
     
  12. AntNyah

    AntNyah New Member Full Member

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    Cotto would destroy Ricky Hatton, even earlier than Floyd Mayweather did because he won't be dancing around being cautious. He would go ahead and take him out. Hatton is overrated.
     
  13. onourway

    onourway Haye KTFO1 Wlad Full Member

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    Hatton can't compete at 147, because of size.

    Look at the fight Margo and Cintron fought last night at close quarters (Ricky's sort of fight). These guys are both 5ft 11 with 8 and 9 inch reach advantages on Ricky respectively. Cotto's build dwarfs Hatton, he looks like a light middleweight fighting at welterweight....Ricky looks like light welterweight fighting at welterweight.

    Make Hatton the size of Margarito and he'd be a top 3 welterweight.
     
  14. Samurai

    Samurai I lost an avatar bet Full Member

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    nobody with a decent amount of sanity truly believes Hatton would beat him. Cotto would stop him in 4
     
  15. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Hatton is seriously underrated here.