Cotto vs. Kirkland @ 150

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  1. asero

    asero Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    cotto...i do think kirkland would not be effective at 150
     
  2. tis4u2envy

    tis4u2envy Member Full Member

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    Upon further review you guys are right Kirkland 5'9" 154 Cotto 5'8" 147 but both come in around 160 the day of the fight yeah KIrkland is huge for his weight class. What the F?#K Are you kidding me. Okay maybe I'm nutts so lets look at the facts Kirklands last five fights include Joel Julio, Brian Vera, Ricardo Cortes, Eromosle Albert and Allen Conyers. We all agree great house hold name fighters right....NOT!!! Beside Julio It's a list of who's who. Cotto's last five fights Micheal Jennings, Antonio Maragarito, Alfonso Goez, Shane Mosley and Zab Judah. HMM.. Let me think Gomez who has fought fighters that weight in around 165 his whole life had never been knocked down tasted the canvas three times from Cotto includng one from a jab, says Cotto hits hard but not that hard. Not that hard compared to what a tow truck or not that hard compared to a 60 mph car? Cause honestly he looked like he got hit by a train after five rounds and hasn't fought since that ass whopping. Look everyone always goes crazy when a young fighter wins impressively, but he beat Julio who was in a different class when he fought Quintana and like stated before Quintana will tell you Cotto hits five times harder then Paul Williams who he also beat. He got caught in the bck of his head and said he could not recoupe from that when he fought PW the second time. He also goes to say that Cotto hits alot harder then PW it's no comparison according to Quintana.
     
  3. san rafael

    san rafael 0.00% lemming Full Member

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    lmao

    What do you think this would be - a redux of Calzaghe/Lacy??
     
  4. RealBoxing

    RealBoxing Kill The Nonsense Full Member

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    Cotto vs anybody any weight class....No problem right?
    Beyond ridiculous...Kirkland would murder cotto...Lets be honest here.:p
     
  5. VARG

    VARG Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The only thing that Cotto would need to hope is that the weight drainage has HUGE effects on Kirkland. I have no doubt that Cotto would outbox him and beat his ass...but Jesus chris Kirkland is a damn beast. He's like Margo on coke...that **** would be VERY hard to keep off of Cotto.

    I'm sure he hits much harder and faster, but his punches are just a wide and loopy as Margo's. His defense sucks serious ass.

    Actually...it's either an early night for Kirkland or Cotto on points. I can see Kirkland actually easing up after 8 rounds. His punches were not finding their target. He wasn't jabbing anymore against Joel. After the first 5 rounds he was simply looking for the big shots. I can see Cotto surviving enough rounds to win a points decision.

    But realistically its gonna be Kirkland by KO
     
  6. joito3

    joito3 Active Member Full Member

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    Kirkland would be super weak to have to get to 150 Cotto would slaughter him. Cotto's skill is on another planet compared to the crude Kirkland. Cottos footwork, jab, left hooks would roast Kirkland alive. You think Kirkland is going to just bulldoze COTTO ?

    Last guy that tried that was Margo and he took SEVERE punishment and kept coming I doubt Kirkland has the chin and heart to take those type of shots from Cotto
     
  7. JMP

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    kirkland's too strong and powerful
     
  8. san rafael

    san rafael 0.00% lemming Full Member

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    You haven't been studying the angles, and you don't seem aware of the concern others here have regarding these two styles. You can degrade Kirkland - you can use the generic arguments of experience or on-paper superiority - the "better fighter" argument - but that's where you would be wrong as far as I'm concerned.

    Is Cotto himself flawless? Is Cotto perfect? How many 'perfect' fighters we got in this sport anyway? How many have we had? Do "styles make fights" in a context other than post fight arguments for why triangle theories don't work, or do styles just make actual fights?

    You want to hear about the fanboys and the uninformed? Okay, why is that we hear so often that fighter 'A' is going to beat fighter 'B' simply because fighter 'A' is a "better fighter" or "the more experienced fighter?" Maybe the "better fighter" lacks punch resistance or the right intangibles. Maybe the "better fighter" has a tactical or physical vulnerability to fighter 'B'.

    There seems to be a school of thought out there among certain 'fans' that that the "better fighter" or "the more experienced fighter" can't lose. That ain't boxing, IMHO. Boxing is about 'angles' - sacred geometry. That last sentence in your post tells me everything I need to know - you don't even understand the basic tendencies, weaknesses, and reactions of these two particular fighters.
     
  9. Borincano

    Borincano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Your getting too deep with this. Pretty much your attacking Cotto and we hear the same **** all the time with what Margarito did. I don't have to explain anything that anyone here does not already know about Cotto. Kirkland is another story. The kid is still green and not proven. No need to preach what I already know. It is a shame when someone post an opinion and here comes the you don't know anything about boxing and so on. What really makes me laugh is when some of the so called experts preach of a fast rising boxer and then he gets his ass handed to him due to not being ready. This can happen to Kirkland and Angulo. They are no different form Michael Grant and you know what happened to him when he finally took a title fight that he was not ready for. They are HBO fighters and I hope he is not a hype job. His defence is horrible and when he gets hit with something that will stop him in his tracks, then what? Some posters are just going by his KO's and don't take no prisoner's approach which is entertaining. I like the kid, but I still don't buy him beating Cotto like Margarito did and that if the fight was on the up and up.
     
  10. Borincano

    Borincano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    In boxing, **** happens and you know this. Q vs Williams for example. If Kirland would to fight Cotto in June. Cotto would win. I don't think the weight would even be a problem. My strongest point is that Kirkland will not know what to do come 9 to 10 rounds and Cotto is still boxing. If I am wrong then I am wrong. Even out the playing field and throw him in with Santos who learned his listen when he got KO'ed by Kofi.
     
  11. san rafael

    san rafael 0.00% lemming Full Member

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    I agree that Kirkland and Angulo (or any other propsect for that matter) could go the way of *insert extinct species here*. However, I don't give two shits how green Kirkland is for THIS particular matchup. THIS is why you need reminding! Cotto's trouble with opponents who try and hump all over him combined with opponents who have relatively good power negates all that. OVERWHELMINGLY. That's two aces, and big, massive ****ing problems for Cotto. If Antonio "Molasses" Margarito could hit him, Kirkland could --- I won't even get started... Anyway, good to know somebody disagrees with me, that's why I come here. :thumbsup
     
  12. san rafael

    san rafael 0.00% lemming Full Member

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    All factors considered I'd say that's an incredibly optimistic point of view. :lol:
     
  13. Beenie

    Beenie Evolve already! Full Member

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    If Cotto can get past Kirkland's intial 2-3 round onslaught then I'd favor him either by UD or late stoppage.
     
  14. Borincano

    Borincano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    One other thing is, we don't know what kind of punch Kirkland can take. I was waiting for Julio to catch him with something just to get his respect, but he couldn't even get his attention. The fight could change if Cotto were to catch him as he bulls in. What if Cotto gets Kirklands respect with a few good shots. This is what I want to know to see if Ann has a backup plan if Kirkland can't get Cotto out of there. Also, we really need to see if he can make it past 10 rounds or a championship of 12 with the same tenacity and viciousness that he briings. I just don't want you to think I am a Kirkland hater, but I think Cotto would weather the storm and take a decision right now. I don't know how much better Kirkland can get within another year or so. We will have to see. Oh, I like the insert the extinct species part:yep:yep
     
  15. BobDigi5060

    BobDigi5060 East Side MMA Full Member

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    Kirkland should look much improved next time around and won't be getting caught with lead rights as often. He showed a strong chin and a lot of determination. Cotto can't box well enough all night and won't be able to hold his ground in the late rounds. He'll lose the fight in the late rounds but won't get put away.

    Kirkland over Margarito too.