Cotto vs Trout was high altitude training a factor?

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  1. Ricky42791

    Ricky42791 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Pedro Diaz had mentioned that Cotto trained at high altitude for this fight. Cotto had never done high altitude training before do you think this could play a factor on how cotto performed? He looked lethargic the whole fight IMO high altitude training prevents you from training your hardest because of the thin air. You'd have to stop more frequently to breath, you couldnt necessarily reach your thresh hold unless you had a training camp for the training camp. I'm not trying to take anything away from trout but Cotto just didnt seem to be himself that night and I simply dont buy the rumor that he is completely shot. Especially after his performance against Mayweather. I apologize if this was brought up in earlier forms

    Ricky
     
  2. ArtOWAR

    ArtOWAR Fartdawg Full Member

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    Yes it shrunk his arms.......
     
  3. stillth3sameg

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    I've noticed there's a trend with fighters who train high altitude: they perform poorly in their fights.

    I think it has to do with your blood vessels being accustomed to the low O2 content, remaining constricted considerably past your fight date. I read some articles on the subject but from what I remember it's completely counterproductive.
     
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    ArtOWAR Fartdawg Full Member

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    Give Austin Trout his damn props for **** sakes!!! huge Cotto fan here
     
  5. Porgeous Porge

    Porgeous Porge Well-Known Member Full Member

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    exactly...Trout fought a god damn great fight and ****ing nobody is talking about it

    its Cotto this Floyd that

    shot unshot

    its bull****, the better guy won
     
  6. JMP

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    Virgil Hunter seems to think it did in an interview with Ring Magazine:

     
  7. Hatesrats

    Hatesrats "I'm NOT Suprised..." Full Member

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    Cotto is undefeated.

    *Margarito (Cheated Plaster)
    *Pac (Cheated Roids & Roach Wrap's + Drained)
    *Mayweather (The Decision was bull****, Robbed)
    *Trout (High Altitude training + was preocupied)
     
  8. MAG1965

    MAG1965 Loyal Member banned

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    no.. I said before the fight if Trout can last into the later rounds and be hitting Cotto consistently then he will take over and win the fight maybe by late round knockout. The fact Cotto was training high altitude had more to do with him probably trying to fix his problem of tiring late in fights.
     
  9. Jai C

    Jai C Boxing Addict Full Member

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    :good One sad thing about fans are they don't want to except the reality that sports has a revolving door. No athlete performs at the same level through their entire career, unless they retire quickly. Boxing is about styles. Trout was simply the better man that night.
     
  10. RJJFan

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    Alex Ariza’s Corner Of The Ring
    Why Shane Mosley will lose this fight after the 5th round

    Most people think high altitude training is the way to train. They feel that by getting their endurance to the level they want in an environment that is producing less oxygen will make the body perform better when the body is introduced back to lower climates when the body is introduced back to higher amounts of oxygen for every breath they take.

    In high altitudes, the amount of oxygen in the blood is reduced because there’s less oxygen in the air. To compensate for reduction of oxygen in the air, the kidneys secrete more of a hormone called erythropoietin, which causes the body to create more red blood cells.

    However the increase in red blood cells comes at a cost – having too many blood cells makes the blood thicker and can make blood flow sluggish. This makes it harder for your heart to pump blood throughout the body, and can actually decrease the amount of oxygen getting to where it is needed.


    At very high altitudes (>5000m), weight loss is unavoidable because your body actually consumes your muscles in order to provide energy. There is even a risk that the body’s immune system will become weakened, leading to an increased risk of infections, and there may be adverse changes in the chemical make-up of the muscles. Additionally, the body cannot exercise as intensely at altitude. This results in reduced training intensity, which can reduce performance.

    Besides Shane Mosley loosing muscle tissue and his body becoming depleted Shane Mosley has the biggest set back of all. By the time Shane Mosley steps in the ring, his body will already have become accustomed to the lower altitude. Everything his body built in the area’s of endurance up in Big Bear mountain are now gone. The body has already adjusted back to it’s natural environment.
    It is not like Shane Mosley is sitting there with all this extra energy that he will be able to display for everyone in the ring.
    Shane’s body will automatically get used to the higher levels of oxygen that you breathe in the lower climates. Their will be no benefit to what Shane tried to accomplish. Shane Mosley will have achieved no advantage. All Shane Mosley did was sacrificed muscle, strength, and speed for no reason.

    The only reason I put this article out now is because it is too late for Shane to go backwards. He has damaged his body enough that those effects are non-reversible. (in the short time left to the fight on May 7th.)

    I remember watching Tito Ortiz years ago when he was at the top of his game, but then he changed his training to Big Bear. He thought it would help him, but Tito started gassing in the 2nd round. That was simply because he actually weakened himself during training and his opponent was able to over power him during the second round.

    Same thing will happen to Mosely. Shane has depleted himself. That is why you saw what you saw in the Mayweather fight. That is why you saw what you saw in the Sergio Mora Fight.

    On the other hand, my fighter Manny Pacquiao is training as hard as he possible can in the environment he will actually fight in. He is eating and building muscle everyday. He is getting faster, stronger, while Shane is getting weaker and weaker.

    This fight will not go the distance. I hardly ever predict fights. Freddie Roach is better at that then I am, but you will see many advantages for us in this fight, but the biggest one you will see will come in the fifth or sixth round and beyond; that is strength, endurance, speed, and power.

    Shane will not be able to handle this.

    Until next time, same website Official Manny Pacquiao Website PAC-MAN Manny Pacquiao

    Alex
     
  11. liljp361

    liljp361 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    whatever the reason i think it was obvious cotto didnt look his best he's ever looked and it wasnt all because of trout either
     
  12. SweetHome_Bama

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    Ariza and Virgil don't know what the **** they are talking about.

    I trust Diaz a PHd and experienced in the field way more than a shake maker and a boxing trainer.
     
  13. Bogotazo

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    Trout definitely deserves credit for his performance, nobody should take that away from him.

    But to comment on the thread topic, I do remember Diaz commenting on the altitude training, and when he was asked in an interview if they'd do it again, he said "I'm not sure if we'll do it again." I've read mixed is better. There may be some truth as to what Ariza said about Mosley's training.
     
  14. r1p00pk

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    well we have to see, we can only judge with cotto's next performance. Then everyone will go from shot to unshot again. As most will complain, i knew there was something wrong but i never really though he was shot. Props to trout i do believe he still would have beaten cotto. The man deserves a big payday. Trout vs canelo
     
  15. Imperial1

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    Boxing trainers have been doing it for years with out phd's