Cotto weighed in@146 v Clottey - would TWO lbs less make him a walking corpse?

You're absolutely right. 2 pounds is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. People are really looking for excuses. How can you be weight drained by losing 2 POUNDS.

Most of the posters here just type without even thinking, throwing the word 'weight drained' round when it suits their needs.

 

It works the other way mate. Pac is P4P number 1. If Cotto wants the biggest fight AND purse of his life he can go down to Manny Pacquiao's weight.

Why in the hell should Pac go to Cotto's weight? Pacquaio is the P4P Number 1.

 

We know this now....or we "Speculate" that his was more dangerous and harder to do "after the fact". Beforehand no one gave PAC a snow balls chance in hell to beat DLH. It was unheard of for a guy PAC's size to face a man who once faught as a MW and who never faught above 135 to meet at 147. And PAC only ONCE faught at 135. So its easy to switch up opinions and modify observations after things are said and done which is what happened in the case of Manny vs Oscar.

 

If he does then ok...Nothing has been agreed to yet so for now I'll stick with my opinion that a catchweight of anything below 145 is ridiculous. 145 is ok to "even" out the so called playing field.

 

In all honesty, yes. I have boxed and wrestled before and when you are already leaned out, two pounds becomes a very big deal.

 

prollly...he struggles to make 147...at 144 he'd struggle even more..if the fight is at 143 than hes really dead!

 

Pacquaio wants to fight Cotto, why? because Cotto is one of the best in the world and he would add to his legacy by beating him.

Cotto is a WW, not a 144lb fighter, but a 147lb fighter and that is where he is one of the best in the world at....

If manny wants to have Cotto's name on his resume then fight him at 147, or dont fight him at all....

you can't have everything; either fight a WW at WW, or fight a jrWW at jrWW..... but don't take the glory of beating a top WW at a weight which is not his own....

simple as.... you wanna fight a WW, then fight a WW....not a drained one

 

I think its mutual. Cotto wants Manny and Manny wants Cotto. Unfortunately they are at two seperate weight classes. Cotto use to fight at 140 who not fights at 147. Manny only faught ONCE at 147 and ONCE at 140. He beat the Kingpin at JR WW so now that is where he resides. Cotto is looking to get PAC more than PAC is looking to get Cotto. C

otto WANTS Pac's P4P crown! PAC isn't interested in being a 7 division champion from the sounds of things so it's COTTO who is trying to TAKE the GLORY from PAC at a comfortable weight for Cotto....NOT the P4P champ who is Manny.

It is simple but you got it twisted. If you want to beat the P4P king who is smaller then fight him at his weight, where he resides or if you are lucky enough, take a catch weight if the P4P King isn't willing to fight you at your division.

 

ya, your right, fair enough

But it goes for all the fighters Pac wants to fight, not just Cotto; fight them at their weights

If he can handle a true WW then great, if not and he losses then he has found a weight he cannot compete at.... but not some bull**** 'oh manny beat top WW's'......

......although they were weight drained

i understand they want to beat manny so as to improve their legacy, and so will agree to a catchweight! and thats what us fans want; the best fighters fighting each other

but i can smell the nuthuggers (asero and soriano) bullshitting about him dominating top WW's

 

2 lbs is'nt a big deal to a fighter like Mayweather who doest'nt dry himself to get to the 147 lbs limit.....

......having Cotto come down another 2 lbs after already drying himself to make 147 lbs, could be detrimental to him.

I've heard it from the fighters own words before in interviews of them struggling to even come down one more pound to make the weight....

Remember JL Castillo against Corrales????

.....and Corrales against Casamayor????

These guys were just 2 or 3 lbs off the limit, why the hell could'nt they lose a couple more pounds????

Its was just a couple more lbs!:nut
Those guys were already feeling the sickness of dehydration and being just a couple of lbs off.......to come down even further would have meant they'd climb the ring just short of a dead man walking!

 

the point here is if pac and cotto accepts the fight at 144, 144 or 145, it means that they are confident enough that they can make it. jmm accepted to fight floyd at 144 and so is floyd. would i take credit away from marquez if he beats floyd by saying floyd is really a 147 fighter drained to get to 144? and don't give me that bull**** that floyd is a small WW when he just made hatton jump to 147 and he jumped to 154 to fight oscar.

 

“as he was at a disadvantage for Diaz and Hatton. Now that PAC has proven to be the man in boxing by overcomming huge odds he now is the "shot caller". You want to be the man, you go to the man and take what he's earned. Not the other way around. The only reason WW is in the equation is b/c the bigger WW's are looking to cash in and take on PAC for his title.”

Regarding Pac being at disadvantage vs Diaz and Hatton, is it really that big a deal, since Pacquiao was the favorite going into both fights ... **** Pacquiao coulda fought Diaz at 147 and it really wouldn’t have mattered. He’s better then Diaz, does the weight really matter?

But I think you have to look at going up to face Cotto differently as on paper at least Miguel Cotto stacks up as a stronger challenge than Diaz or Hatton.

and sure the Welterweights (Cotto, Mosley) are looking to cash out but Pacquiao needs them if he wants another big fight in 2009

especially with Bradley and Campbell lining up to fight each other, who will Pacquiao face that can not only be a tough challenge, but make a good fight promotion with?

Going back to the potential Pacquiao-Cotto fight
**will Pac giving up 10 pounds on fight night be THE deciding factor in the fight?

and if so much attention is being paid to weight of fighters, why would 144 or 145 vs 147 matter that much?



(Hypothetically) If it’s the difference between Cotto being weight drained (145) vs healthy (147)

then why not take the greater challenge and fight at Full Welter?

And regarding the whole “well if Cotto has so much trouble getting down to Welter he should just move up to 154”

uh why? The Welterweight limit is 147, all Cotto has to worry about is hitting that weight, and besides at 5'7 he outgrew 140 (already mentioned) and would be too small for 154 or 160.

So yes he struggles to make weight, but im sure he’s not the only fighter that does.

 

If the welterweight limit happened to be 145lbs, which division do we think Cotto would have been fighting in for the past two years?

I think he would have been fighting in the welterweight division...

People are way too hung up on weight classes which are ultimately just an arbitrary number.

 

Yea..I see your point but there are no easy outcomes to this equation. Its some complex due to the nature of everyone involved. I think today catch weights are harder to promote b/c fans aren't very receptive to them, but for me in the right situations they make sense. IF.....And I say "IF"...Manny wants to be a 7 division champ he should fight at 147, but his actions are saying he's just looking for quality opponents who are proven and who have names that just are NOT at jr WW. PAC has alot of HELP from the bigger guys at WW b/c they all want to fight him more than PAC wants it.

As a fan I just want to see great fights and ALL the guys in the mix are great fighters. The big issue is where these fights with PAC should take Place. I'm alright at any weight from 140 to 147 but it shouldn't be forced. Everyone needs to agree and it can NOT compramise anyone's health. I mean......this is boxing and their health is already compramised due to the natrue of the sport.

 

Cotto's going to be 155-160 come fight night

and your all bitching about 2 pounds the day before?

It's all irrelevant. Don't act like Pac has the advantage at a 144 catchweight when Pacquiao weights 144 on fight night and Cotto weighs 160.