Cotto's Chances of Victory based on the Judah fight

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  1. they_killed_kenny

    they_killed_kenny Underdogs on top :) Full Member

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    Cotto/Collazo would have the same outcome as Cotto/Paulie , Broken Jaw and a Broken heart :tired , no messed up hair tho
     
  2. boy-wonder

    boy-wonder Active Member Full Member

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    it sound ridiculous right!!!!!!

    But collazo has the skillz to penetrate cottos already poor defense. Somwhat like he did to hatton. I think hatton get hit less than cotto bc hatto footwork allows to evade punches.

    i used to be an amatuer boxer....i know what it is like to be in the ring.... u cant always come in head first bc u are bound to be exposed.
     
  3. Tuavale

    Tuavale Well-Known Member Full Member

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    This is the welterweight, and improved, Cotto. :smoke:smoke:smoke
     
  4. they_killed_kenny

    they_killed_kenny Underdogs on top :) Full Member

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    I am an amateur boxer also and my only 2 losses came to guys who work the **** outta my rib cage, put me in defense mode and got standing 8's like hell..........


    same would happen to Collazo prolly far worse since cotto is relentless to the body
     
  5. boxing_report

    boxing_report Upset-Minded Full Member

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    The best course for Mosley is to end it early.
    This is a very real possibility. Cotto is a slow starter and would be rudely introduced to Mosley's hand/foot speed.
    Once Mosley stuns him, he must finish him off.
    That's the key.
    Lesser fighters have seriously wobbled Cotto but failed to follow through.
    This is Mosley's biggest chance at victory.

    The longer the fight goes the better it is for Cotto. The guy just gathers momentum, establishes a groove and starts dismantling opponents bit by bloody bit.
    Cotto is the most deadly from rounds 8-12, in my opinion.
    I doubt anybody can come back that deep into the fight.

    If this fight goes into the 8th Mosley might be in trouble.
    At 36 a fighter's got only so much left in the tank to try to keep a young raging bull off for 12 punishing rounds.
     
  6. boy-wonder

    boy-wonder Active Member Full Member

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    i think cotto lack luster performances against cruz and estrada where more mental than physical. Remember mosely had four straight losses to LEGITIMATE champions and p4p'ers. In the first fight with forrest he suffered his first knock down. These guys were much bigger than mosley. Pre-forrest, prime mosley smokes cruz and estrada. But u cannot expect any fighter not even SRR or SRL to look spectacular right after 48 straight losing rounds against physically bigger opponont.

    Those were just fight for him to get his grove back. And now mosely looks to be mentally where he needs to be after three straight wins.

    I think u are taking away credit from the collazo victroy. To me mosley was not overly impressive but considering how Collazo made hatton look. It goes to show that mosley is still an elite fighter. Kind of like basketball, an all star can have a horrible night but still manage to put up 25 points and 7 assists.
     
  7. boy-wonder

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    yes buddy, guys who work my rib cage, i used to cuonter with short tight upppercuts and hooks when the body shots were thrown. i take away ther weapon bc they risked to much to throw the body shot. On sunday hit me up, we will revisit this. I say mosely counters cottos body shots.
     
  8. boy-wonder

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    kind of like what happened in the collazo hatton fight.

    that is why i think collazo gives cotto mad problems.
     
  9. Dorfmeister

    Dorfmeister Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I sense a lot of arguments completely driven by emotion and wishful thinking in the corner of my mind's eye. Judah is a head case most unfortunatelly and he was more than 12 months inactive ( given the fact that his tune up with Edwin Vazquez would only provide basis for his early rounds assaults against Miguel).
    This fight was never balanced towards Cotto cause Shane is older/beyond his prime either. I can understand that one who wishes Cotto to succeed, realizes now that Mosley is not Judah or the other way around so what? Miguel still has to overcome Shane even if he was not the title holder, the difference just being that if they come to neutralize themselves, Cotto retains the title with a draw verdict... The Judah fight only works here cause it boosted Miguel Cotto's and his supporters confidence and everybody's on that groove - that's why some say that Shane stands between Cotto and Superstardom cause they all strive/cavet for that. To me, it's a 12 round fight for the right to get bigger paydays next, and in that sense, it's common sensical that it's hard to pick Cotto against Shane Mosley.
     
  10. boy-wonder

    boy-wonder Active Member Full Member

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    buddy, althought hatton won match, he lost the fight. have u heard that saying, in a rematch i pick collazo to beat hatton.

    Collazo the reason hatton run back down to 140 buddy, and hatton graciously admit this. He was very humble in victory.

    There are too many resemblences with a collazo/hatton fight and collazo/cotto fight.

    But i admit that cotto is probably much stronger than hatton.
     
  11. standing 8

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    Good post. I got Mosley by UD.
     
  12. brooklyn1550

    brooklyn1550 Roberto Duran Full Member

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    Then you obviously don't like Cotto and your inability to properly analyze is evident.
     
  13. boy-wonder

    boy-wonder Active Member Full Member

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    well, i neither like or dislike cotto,
    and i stated my analysis, maybe u did read the rest of the thread.
     
  14. brooklyn1550

    brooklyn1550 Roberto Duran Full Member

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    Yes I did, but Cotto's ability to deal with speed, body punching, and superior strength would see him through. Hatton, when he threw and pressured, gave Collazo problems, but Hatton jumped in and got caught. Cotto would work his way inside in a more cerebral way than Ricky. Collazo is a good fighter - fast, slick, but pressure fighters in Jose Antonio Rivera and Ricky Hatton gave him a lot of trouble and I'd definitely say Cotto, at 147, is better than those 2.
     
  15. boy-wonder

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    i agree with you, that he is better however, collazo either won or was very competitive in those fights, that is the reason i give him a good chance against cotto. I want to think cotto should win but i just dont like cotto's defense at all where collazo has very sound defense. i just dont think that collazo should be written off that easliy.

    it is not personal against cotto but when i anaylize his skillset i think cotto is an abc fighter. Will can beat skill but it is only a matter of time that that this will stop working as u step up competition.