Cotto's fans are afraid he might loose soon!!!

kg0208 · Apr 10, 2008

CottoIsGod said:

Damn... Mayweather is not only a *****... but shameless. Now we are talking about a rematch against Hatton!!!!?? Damn FLoyd, Cotto has you broken and he hasn't even made your ribs touch yet.

"I've spoken to Floyd's manager Al Haymon and he has confirmed that Floyd is interested in another fight with Ricky," Schaeffer said.
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Good chance of getting KO'd again.

I don't think Mayweather is scared of Cotto. That's what is part of the frustration.

Amsterdam · Apr 10, 2008

kg0208 said:

Exactly....

I guess I don't get the context of his post. Unless I am misreading it, who is he talking about? The context gives the impression he is targeting the people who are upset in this thread that Mayweather isn't fighting Cotto. If so, I fall into that category as do many others who don't fit his description. Why the hell would I want to see Mayweather lose? I just want the guy to prove he is as good as I think he is and he thinks he is.
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He's vastly overrated, that's for damn sure.

Amsterdam · Apr 10, 2008

kg0208 said:

Good chance of getting KO'd again.

I don't think Mayweather is scared of Cotto. That's what is part of the frustration.
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Not scared, just wants the easiest path.

Lampley · Apr 10, 2008

1lehudson said:

I disagree with some of the stuff you said. First Pacnatic were fired up about his fight with MAB the second time, and they to this day claim it as a GREAT win.

I disagree with your claim that floyd lacks a high level of comp...On this very website 52% polled said that Oscar would win, 45% said that Hatton would win. Meaning Floyd was fighting guys that people thought were his equal. He won both fights easy at which point all the excuses started and they became WEAK comp. Which is the very same thing that will happen with Cotto.
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I know there are a couple of Pacfans who cheer everytime Manny manages to get the cap off the ketchup bottle, but I consider myself a Pac fan, and I definitely was disappointed he wasn't fighting JMM. But I hear ya.

Can't remember those polls, but I know for sure that most of the best posters on this site though Hoya and Hatton had little chance of defeating Mayweather. I thought he'd actually beat Oscar more easily than he did, and the Hatton fight -- apologies to Emanuel Steward -- went exactly like I thought it would.

I never blamed Floyd for taking those bouts, and I don't blame him for these, either. He's entitled to make as much money as he can. Having said that, he and his fans need to stop talking about greatness, and at least start being honest about what he's after.

bigtime9 · Apr 10, 2008

before I begin disecting your post just be warned you are so gonna get ****ed:yep :rofl

1) What Hatton sold at the gate in England has little to do with PPV sales against a fighter who beat him up then KO'd him.

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first off floyd vs hatton did over 1.2 million buys at 5am in the ****ing morning (english time). I am quite confident in my assertion that fighting in front of 100,000 englsihmen( taking into the exchange rate) who will have the opportunity to purchase the fight prime time (which means english time). and throw in the clever marketing showing a ref the english think are biased and you have a gold mine.

there is no factual evidence you can put forward to make cotto a bigger draw:admin why you even decided to bring this lame ass argument up is beyond me.

hatton and dela haoya are the big money fights cotto is little league compared to them:hi:

2) You clearly don't know what disingenious means or otherwise you are chastising me for assuming the outcome of a fight then assuming yourself that you know my emotions on a fight. We know Mayweather will beat Hatton. And even if we don't, we know he is more than capable of it, a factor that is UNKNOWN with Cotto making it more intriguing.

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fortunately unlike you I am not considered about who can beat floyd:deal calling cotto an unknown is so right on many levels, because you don't know floyd will beat hatton in the rematch you just think he will far different from being an absolute:admin :admin I understand you want floyd to lose like so many others but you will have to wait for your "unknown" floyd vanquisher named miguel cotto to get his shot. I know that rankles your feathers but keep on bawking I got a club waiting to beat your ****ing chicken brains out:deal

3) Hatton has no belt, which is worse than a vacated belt which has been defended against 2 Top 10 WW and former world champions. Unification is a good reason, and if you're answer is that "Mayweather is already the true champion" then fine, but it still doesn't give a reason for Mayweather to fight Hatton over Cotto. Cotto is ranked P4P higher and has a title, vacated or not. Hatton has none of these things.

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hatton doesn't need a title neither does de la hoya:deal they bring that mula, that ****ing green. Cotto can't do anything right now but bring floyd more sanctioning fees which take money out of his pocket:deal cotto has to build a legacy right now he is on his way but he has to keep wining:hey

4) Hatton vs Floyd I was called undefeated. One of them lost that bout. Thanks for bringing that up. So that would make Hatton.....NOT undefeated like I said. And if you are so fond of that title, then what's the problem with fighting Undefeated Cotto?

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hatton was undefeated, a RING CHAMPION, and was considered the best 140lb fighter:deal cotto is not a ring champion he is a title holder. now what would sell more ppvs cotto vs floyd for the undisputed 147 title or cotto vs floyd for cotto's wba belt.

don't worry I'll wait:deal

So really, the only reason you have is MONEY, or you perception that more money will be made. You are assuming this is the case and feel justified, but feel others are not justified for not wanting to see the rematch because we ASSUME Hatton will lose. Contradiction.
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how is winning and losing a contradiciton with getitng paid lots of money. you are one dumb mother****er.:deal hatton vs floyd 2 will generate more money than a cotto fight now.

you do realize boxing is a business:deal floyd vs hatton 2 will sell because of underlying storylines. floyd vs cotto right now is not big enough something besied their 0's need to be on the line.

all the marbles need to be on the line:deal that means all the titles

jecxbox · Apr 10, 2008

lolol what a garbage thread

bigtime9 · Apr 10, 2008

lolol what a garbage thread

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don't worry I know you have a hard time keeping up

polo · Apr 10, 2008

bigtime9 said:

that is what's bugging these guys. Cotto's fan's are mayweather haters in disguise. 2 years ago you didn't see anything about a cotto vs floyd fight, and many of us can remember the margarito hype that got easily flushed down the toilet, the paul williams hype " that got put to bed, the ricky "I am the ultimate pressure fighter" hype, and the oscar "left hook" of doom that was going to put floyd in his place hype.:deal

See when you analysis what the floyd haters/sans cotto fans (for now until he loses) are saying you notice they are not cursing cotto for taking a tuneup fight, nor are they concerned about bob arums shenanigans with floyd (still owing floyd money dfrom a 2005 PPV):deal

they are concerend about the fight getting made right now, this instance there is not a second to lose.:rofl :admin and the reason for this is two fold:

1. cotto is not good enough to beat a fighter who is taller and just as big as him. see cotto was a huge 140lber I mean this guy would come into a 140lb fight as a supermiddle and sometimes a middleweight:deal in facing the cintron/margarito winner cotto would finally be in the ring with someone who would weigh the same as him 160+:deal

the floyd haters dread this thought hence the sense of urgency on their part:admin :admin :admin :admin

2. the haters were also banking on the fact that cotto would outweigh floyd by 10-15lbs on fight night. this is where you get the disparaging remarks about floyd taking care of his family by fighting oscar and hatton again. they feel that cotto is running out of time and that he was never really in floyd's shoes to begin with he was just someone they picked to carry on their crusade of hatred.

cotto would love to fight floyd and any fighter smaller than him. let's see what cotto does when he is in the ring with someone his own size.:deal we know what floyd can do with bigger men, what can cotto do is the question:deal

cotto's so-called fans are even worried that a fighter as limitied as gomez could give cotto trouble because his is "bigger than him" which is a load of crock. cotto will be 155-160 on fight night just like gomez.

se we floyd fans have never worried about floyd defeating competition like gomez just goes to show who the boss is:admin :yep :rofl :deal
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Yeah" Cotto IS... :good Mayrunner Knows HER Place Which Is 2nd.
Next To The Purto Rican Warrior........ :hey N.Y.C.

bigtime9 · Apr 10, 2008

I think I like Floyd the person and know I like Floyd the fighter, but it's his persona that sometimes is harmful to the sport.

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its a business called a sport:deal

Bigtime, here's the problem:

Whereas Pacquiao fans weren't all excited about the MAB rematch, and Calzaghe fans weren't at all happy about Manfredo, certain Mayweather fans seem to rejoice at his lack of competition.

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so your saying

zab
baldomir
oscar
hatton

are not competiton for floyd. are you saying cotto is better than those fighters I just listed:deal

It's less about the fighter proving his greatness in the ring, and more about the fighter proving his greatness at manipulating the system. For some fans, the Mayweather adoration is based on Floyd's defiance and penchant for waving money in the face of society, rather than his ability to prove domination over other elite opponents.

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how is fighting oscar at 154 and the ring champ of 140 mainpulating the system:deal are you saying cotto deserved to fight floyd before oscar and hatton:nono

are you implying that:

genaro hernandez
diego corrales
jose castillo
zab judah
oscar de la hoya
ricky hatton

are not elite competition. are you implying that cotto has accomplsihed more than all these fighters and is the only fighter that is elite compared to floyd:rofl :nut

In other words, you're more caught up in Floyd the countercultural icon than Floyd the ATG fighter.

And to we true boxing fans, that's annoying and an impediment to the health of the sport.
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beating cotto for a wba belt will not make floyd an atg fighter he already is one. cotto is the one who is not an atg:deal

kg0208 · Apr 10, 2008

bigtime9 said:

before I begin disecting your post just be warned you are so gonna get ****ed:yep :rofl

first off floyd vs hatton did over 1.2 million buys at 5am in the ****ing morning (english time). I am quite confident in my assertion that fighting in front of 100,000 englsihmen( taking into the exchange rate) who will have the opportunity to purchase the fight prime time (which means english time). and throw in the clever marketing showing a ref the english think are biased and you have a gold mine.

there is no factual evidence you can put forward to make cotto a bigger draw:admin why you even decided to bring this lame ass argument up is beyond me.

hatton and dela haoya are the big money fights cotto is little league compared to them:hi:

fortunately unlike you I am not considered about who can beat floyd:deal calling cotto an unknown is so right on many levels, because you don't know floyd will beat hatton in the rematch you just think he will far different from being an absolute:admin :admin I understand you want floyd to lose like so many others but you will have to wait for your "unknown" floyd vanquisher named miguel cotto to get his shot. I know that rankles your feathers but keep on bawking I got a club waiting to beat your ****ing chicken brains out:deal

hatton doesn't need a title neither does de la hoya:deal they bring that mula, that ****ing green. Cotto can't do anything right now but bring floyd more sanctioning fees which take money out of his pocket:deal cotto has to build a legacy right now he is on his way but he has to keep wining:hey

hatton was undefeated, a RING CHAMPION, and was considered the best 140lb fighter:deal cotto is not a ring champion he is a title holder. now what would sell more ppvs cotto vs floyd for the undisputed 147 title or cotto vs floyd for cotto's wba belt.

don't worry I'll wait:deal

how is winning and losing a contradiciton with getitng paid lots of money. you are one dumb mother****er.:deal hatton vs floyd 2 will generate more money than a cotto fight now.

you do realize boxing is a business:deal floyd vs hatton 2 will sell because of underlying storylines. floyd vs cotto right now is not big enough something besied their 0's need to be on the line.

all the marbles need to be on the line:deal that means all the titles
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He typed all that to basically agree with me but pretend he didn't. It's about money, and the assumption that Mayweather can make more with Hatton. Sadly, Bigtime actually cares how much money Mayweather makes.

All of the rest of it was full of contradictions which are not important enough to discuss since the fact that he made them means he can't grasp what I'm saying, which is sad really.

FourtyOunce · Apr 10, 2008

Quik said:

I read your post a second time and i am afraid you dethroned PacDbest as the worst nuthugger on esb...
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I don't know about about that.. Im a pretty big peter nuthugger:rofl

Lampley · Apr 10, 2008

bigtime9 said:

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I guess I should have been more clear. I wasn't referring to Floyd's previous competition -- which I've defended on this forum many times -- but his upcoming bouts.

Competitively, the Hoya bout never did much for me. Oscar is past it and rusty. Nevertheless, no one could argue that Floyd should run away from big paydays. I've been fighting the good fight for Chad Dawson on that same point this week.

The issue is some of Floyd's fans, who seem to primarily enjoy that he's making money and don't seem concerned at all that he's fighting less competitive bouts. No other fan base revels in their righters *money* as much as certain PbF fans, because it's about their man's performances in the ring.

You seem obsessed with Floyd's ability to get huge paydays in non-competitive bouts, which is fine, but you at least should be honest about it.

bigtime9 · Apr 10, 2008

Competitively, the Hoya bout never did much for me. Oscar is past it and rusty. Nevertheless, no one could argue that Floyd should run away from big paydays. I've been fighting the good fight for Chad Dawson on that same point this week.

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and a cotto beating a 36 year old mosley makes him a threat to floyd.

The issue is some of Floyd's fans, who seem to primarily enjoy that he's making money and don't seem concerned at all that he's fighting less competitive bouts. No other fan base revels in their righters *money* as much as certain PbF fans, because it's about their man's performances in the ring.

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I enjoy floyd making money and don't give a **** about miguel cotto and bob arum. can I make that any clearer for you:admin

You seem obsessed with Floyd's ability to get huge paydays in non-competitive bouts, which is fine, but you at least should be honest about it.
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is cotto vs gomez competitive:deal

jecxbox · Apr 10, 2008

bigtime9 said:

don't worry I know you have a hard time keeping up
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I am pretty sure you can't even keep up with yourself.

bigtime9 · Apr 10, 2008

I am pretty sure you can't even keep up with yourself.
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is that a fact or your opinion :rofl

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