cottos lost or pavliks lost?

cotto took more punches over 11 rounds than pavlik. i think physcial punishment would affect a fighter more than a shut-out.

 

I think Cotto's loss is supposed to be worse since he got broken down and stopped. If Pavlik would have gotten knocked out than I think his loss would have been far worse. But he didn't, and I think Cotto's personality will enable him to come back fine. Now, aside from your question... at least Pavlik doesn't have to fight Hopkins ever again, but Cotto... well, he has the very tough task of fighting his conqueror again.

 

They were both bad losses. But if forced to choose which was more psychologically damaging, I'd say Cotto's for the same reasons that san rafael did.

You have to also factor in which is worse -- hitting the guy with the kitchen sink and not making a dent, or not being able to hit the guy at all.

 

Great comment. I can see Pavlik getting frustrated, as well as any boxer in his shoes that night. However, the Cotto factor is just so discouraging and I would think would break someones will or any real motivation to keep on trying to fight.

 

Cotto sustained a bad beating and left the ring a bloody mess; however, he also left the ring knowing that he was winning for a half of the fight. Pavlik on the other hand left the ring not as battered as Cotto but bloodied and more disturbingly completely confused. He has come out and said that he wasn't able to get off and has no idea why. The logical answer is that B-Hop was utterly and completely dominate and stylistically it was an overwhelming mismatch. I still think that Cotto, with the proper training, gameplan, and of coarse execution could pull off an upset in a rematch against Margo. On the flipside after watching Pavlik get completely dismantled by B-Hop, I got to believe if they were to fight 10 times he would probably lose all 10 times. With that said Pavlik's loss was worst.

 

I'd have to say Pavlik's loss. Every reasons pretty much been posted. We will know for sure the next time he gets into the ring.

 

I may be wrong, but was the Margarito vs. Cotto fight a championship fight ?
The Pavlik vs. Hopkins fight was a joke with no impact of Pavlik's future, re:

I've been a lurker on this site and enjoy reading all the comments. I respect divergent opinions. Nevetheless, I admit I'm confused about today's state of boxing vs. years ago. Case in point is the recent Pavlik vs. Hopkins fight.

First, I believe Pavlik was outboxed by Hopkins. But, what did Pavlik lose ? A perfect record, which few fighters achieve. He did not fight for his middleweight belt or a title fight. He did put lots of money in his bank account, and at 4 to 1 odds, if I was a betting man, I may have betted against myself.

Second, these catchweight fights are similar to wrestling matches. Here, Pavlik moves up two weight classes from middleweight to Lt Heavy weight for a non-title fight ? He never fought at that weight before, I think ? What happened to tune up fights and fighting up through the ranks in a certain weight class ?

Third, if Hopkins was fighting for the middleweight belt, I think the Pavik performance factor may have been different.

Fourth, De La Hoya was stopped by Hopkins, yet the naysayers have little problem paying to see him fight PacMan or other ridiculous bouts that again are non-title fights. And, no one says De La Hoya was exposed or a bum when he had to stop fighting due to a body shot by Hopkins.

Finally, these professional fighters are at such a higher level that it is not beyond reason to make these fights sparring matches or a day at the gym for them. They can hedge on output, hold back on knockouts, and do just about anything to let you think it was a true fight. It is snake oil and smoke and mirrors with suckers paying to see these stupid fights.

So, this fight sustains Hopkins as an aging fighter who can fight Jones or Calzaghe (sic) again for more money. It sustains these guys for a few more years. If they were such greats why not fight for the middleweight belt or a championship bout ?

I can see no gain for Pavik for taking this fight other than a big pay day and being assured of future fights by the match makers.

I also think that Pavik will be back and clean up the middle weight division. He is young, hits hard, and needs a few adjustments.

These are solely my own personal opinions.

Cheers,

KMcD

 

c'mon now anyone can just look at your avatar and tell what you're going to say....clearly a cotto fan

........but i am too, so i say Pavlik


but seriously, Cotto was outboxing Margarito in the beginning and even made him look foolish at times, and he really showed what a great well rounded fighter he was....he was just in against a bigger and tougher guy, not necessarily a better more skilled fighter

but on the other hand.....pavlik SHOWED NOTHING, he proved that against an A class fighters hes capable of doing absolutely nothing

so i'd say Pavlik, because at the end of the day Cotto can just go back to the drawing board, work on a few things, and maybe change strategies and more then likely he'll be more sucessful the next time around....while on the other hand, all pavlik can do is make sure he stays away from A class fighters...which is a real hurtful thing any boxers pride, to no that you're no where near as good as you thought you was

it's one thing to be beaten, anyone can take a loss ya know, if sugar ray robinson can lose, anyone can... because all it takes is a right punch at the right time to lead to a fighters defeat... or in this case (and many cases of the past with other great fighter) all it takes is a big enough guy....

but it's a completely different thing to be outclassed, and thats difference hear....knowing that you have NO SHOT at winning

so basically it's going down WITH a fight vs. going down WITHOUT a fight

 

It's hard to tell...I think Cotto feels like he gave it his all, while Kelly feels that he could have done better. Anyway, Cotto is the better fighter...both need to go back to the drawing board, though.

 

Cotto quit ater taking too much punishment, and lost his title. Kelly lasted with a great fighter and was out of his weight class. Mentally I think it is going to affect Cotto worse.

 

Hard to say. Cotto had positive moments in his fight against Margarito. Pavlik has nothing to build on (in that fight).

 

Good question. But to win in boxing, you don't have to kock the other guy out. Cotto knows he can outbox Margarito. Pavlik knows...Knows what? That he can't touch Hopkins. HArd to win...

 

yea but cotto dominated through the first 6 rounds. Pavlik was never in the fight for a second

 

Pavlik..
He was taken to school by an ageing ATG.. hardly touched hopkins in the entire fight and looked so predictable, e.g 1,2......1,2 ..no dimensions,angles

Cotto on the other hand is a very skilled fighter and could have otuboxed Margarito had he stuck to his initial gameplan on the outisde rather than trading in the latter rounds..hell be back..

Pavlik needs to get a new trainer if hes to come back successfuly as loew was cringworthy.."kelly you need to start double jabbing"..say something else man..PLAN B?????!!

first post guys..hope I havent made a tit of myself!!! haha