Cotto's Personality Needs To Tempt Floyd

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  1. James

    James Member Full Member

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    Theres a 1000 ignorant things you can pick out of this post.
     
  2. YOUNG*LORD

    YOUNG*LORD Carlosv1968 is your daddy Full Member

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    all you need to know is that Showtime and now HBO televise almost every fight he's in...Do you really think HBO would highlight a fighter with a limited fan base...Noooooo, use your ****ing brain. Cotto has brought more action and excitement to Showtime and HBO, than many of the current Top 10 P4P fighters...and that's a fact. HBO knows he's a popular fighter...why would they keep Sponsoring his PPV fights..ask yourself.
     
  3. Lance_Uppercut

    Lance_Uppercut ESKIMO Full Member

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    Cotto just needs to keep doing what he's been doing. If Floyd continues to fight and never fights Cotto, that will tell all that needs to be known.
     
  4. brooklyn1550

    brooklyn1550 Roberto Duran Full Member

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    Personality shouldn't be the deciding factor as to who gets fights. Cotto has EARNED his shot IN THE RING. It is the most meaningful fight out there for either of them and it would most certainly be a big money fight. It would be a shame if this fight never happened.

    Who cares if he acts like a cyborg? He is all business and let's his fists do the talking for him. He's a consumate professional.

    What ever happened to taking on all challengers simply because they earned their shot? Why does personality and whether or not a fighter speaks English become the deciding factor?
     
  5. Lance_Uppercut

    Lance_Uppercut ESKIMO Full Member

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    Simple. Because Floyd has "personality" :patsch and all fighters have to do what Floyd does. It's like how once Floyd entered WW, so many Floyd fans started crying about the big WW's and how they should be at 160 and that Floyd doersn't need to fight them.
     
  6. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    HBO has been highlighting Floyd since 1998, he has just recently built up a fan base. Your statement right after the one I highlighted is not a fact, it's your opinion. No need to go into this, as I'm sure even your typical 3rd grader knows the difference between a fact and an opinion. HBO has sponsered two of his ppv's(his other one was independent, and he had to fight on Showtime against Quintana, because HBO had lost some faith in him). Regardless, they keep investing in him because they believe that he's an exciting fighter, and that eventually, his style will attract a larger fanbase. As it stands now though, he is primarily a regional fighter, whose fanbase consist mostly of Puerto Ricans.
     
  7. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    I'm not arguing about what should and shouldn't, I'm arguing what is and what isn't. As a fan, I would love to see these two fight. The money doesn't matter to me because I don't see a dime of it. The reality of the situation though is that the sport is a business. Whether you like it or not, the guys on top are going to be looking to make the fights that make the most business sense. Cotto's lack of personality hurt his marketablility, and in turn may hurt his chances of landing some of the mega fights.
     
  8. brooklyn1550

    brooklyn1550 Roberto Duran Full Member

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    Okay, I see your points. And you do bring up some good ones (boxing is a business, business sense, hurts his marketability, etc), unfortunate as they may be. Let's hope Mayweather can take a pay-cut and fight his number one contender sometime next year.:good
     
  9. YOUNG*LORD

    YOUNG*LORD Carlosv1968 is your daddy Full Member

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    The only reason HBO highlighted PBF was because he was a U.S olympian...Cotto was highlighted because of his exciting fights...2 different reason, also people would say gatti was a regional fighter, but had more fans than PBF. That fact is that you are stating an opinion when you say that the majority of his fans are from PR...you have no ideal what a crossover fighter he is.
     
  10. Lance_Uppercut

    Lance_Uppercut ESKIMO Full Member

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    Not speaking English certainly didn't hurt Tito, Duran, Morales, Barrera, Pacqiaou, or Chavez.

    Cotto is selling out MGS (or coming close to it). Not to mention his PPV #'s aren't exactly terrible.

    HOW is he hurting himself? :huh Floyd spoke perfectly good (if you can say that...:lol:) English and it wasn't till the last two years he got a following.
     
  11. brooklyn1550

    brooklyn1550 Roberto Duran Full Member

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    Would Mayweather be willing to fight at MSG? Or does he only want to fight in Vegas?
     
  12. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    No **** it's my opinion. What, do you think there's been some scientific poll conducted to find the demographics of Cotto's fan base? There's no need to conduct a poll, it's pretty obvious already. All of the guys recent fights have been in NY, NJ, and PR for a reason. Hell, I remember when he fought Judah Arum said that it wouldn't make sense for them to fight in a place like L.A because they would have a hard time selling the fight. If Cotto had such a large crossover appeal, they would be able to sell his fights anywhere.
     
  13. Lance_Uppercut

    Lance_Uppercut ESKIMO Full Member

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    Never heard him say anything about fighting there or not, but after all the history MSG has, I don't see why he wouldn't want to.
     
  14. brooklyn1550

    brooklyn1550 Roberto Duran Full Member

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    I'd assume the live gate wouldn't generate as much money as it would at MGM Grand though...that could be the deciding factor, although this fight would be perfect at the Garden. A true classic!
     
  15. BigReg

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    Where do I start with you? Tito was kicking ass for years, and yet was in his mid 20's and wasn't that big of a star. Don King sought to correct this by putting him in there with well known, yet past his prime, American fighter Pernell Whitaker(looks like Arum is trying to copy this blueprint).

    Morales, Barrera, and Chavez are all Mexican. If you go back to my origional post you will see that I said that one of Cotto's problems is that PR does not have a big enough population. Mexico does not have that problem. About 60% of Hispanics in this country are Mexican. As a result, these fighters already have a pretty big built in fan base. Pac basically got lucky. The guys was a late substitute to fight the popular MAB,he beat his ass on HBO, and his career took off.

    In the beginning of Floyd's career, he built up a name off his olympic status. However, there weren't many household names for him to fight in the lower division, he had a period of inactivity, and he didn't really talk as much trash as he does now. As a result, his stock plummeted. He didn't start gaining mainstream appeal again until he verbally, then physically abused America's favorite club fighter, Arturo Gatti. I'm not going to comment on Duran because I wasn't around during his peak years.