cotto's win over martinez

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  1. progamer

    progamer Boxing Junkie banned

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    ...considering he was deemed small ww not too long ago, been labeled damaged-goods after his loss against margo and now had rebuild his career, fought 2 weight classes above is prime.

    what do you think?
     
  2. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    I don't understand those who are saying it is not a great win. Yes, Sergio was old, coming off an injury, inactive for a year, and the fight was at a 159 pound catchweight. He was still a well respected and acclaimed MW king. I don't see how that isn't a good win... Igarashi picked up a good win over Sonny Boy Jaro despite him being a journeyman before scooping up the Flyweight lineal title. He was the Flyweight king and Igarashi beat him in a close bout. Beating a lineal champion has great meaning for the division of the contest even if the lineal champion is deemed to have just stumbled upon it. Lennox beating Shannon Briggs for the lineal title means more than just Lennox if he had beaten Shannon Briggs at any other point. It just does.

    Cotto now enters the conversation of his contemporary greats around his weight class in the sense of multi-divisional success. Throughout four divisions, he has reached heights of being ranked in everyone's top 5 at JWW, #1 at WW (even if for a brief time), #1 at JMW (even if for an even more brief time), and now his first claim as lineal champion at MW.
     
  3. ValentinePrince

    ValentinePrince Well-Known Member Full Member

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    It's an underrated win for Cotto.

    Mayweather has a lot of great wins that you could argue are better:

    Hernandes
    Corrales
    Castillo
    dela Hoya
    Hatton
    Cotto
    Marquez
     
  4. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    These.

    + Mosley
    + Alvarez

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    I will say that it is a greater win than any Floyd has that are not listed by ValentinePrince or my two additions.

    The way some are talking about Cotto vs. lineal Sergio, though, you would think that it is the exact same caliber of a victory as Floyd vs. lineal Baldomir... which is an underrated win in itself, but not the level of defeating Sergio.
     
  5. Txomo

    Txomo Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Martinez is almost 40, with sleeves on both knees, 14 months layoff with a couple of knee surgeries... for a guy who based his boxing on his athleticism and his legs...

    If Cotto had fought the 2010 to 2012 version of Martinez it woyld have been a GREAT win. This almost retired version of Martinez is just a shadow IMO.

    I might be wrong... but it's my opinion.
     
  6. lencoreastside

    lencoreastside Obsessed with Boxing banned Full Member

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    Anyone with eyes in their head could see Martinez was just a pale shadow of his prime against Cotto. Any top 10 middle would have beaten him easily that night...any top 20 probably too....can't read too much into it.
     
  7. Tancred

    Tancred Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Martinez was not himself was he be honest
     
  8. alexthegreatmc

    alexthegreatmc Sound logic and reason. You're welcome! Full Member

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    If any other middleweight fought Martinez that night, win or lose, EVERYONE would be saying it's time for Martinez to hang it up. But since it was Cotto and about 70% expected him to lose, now it's a great win smh. Martinez was crap in his last two fights, just not this bad.

    Cotto fought well though.
     
  9. RememberingC.S.

    RememberingC.S. Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    For how poor and fake TheftJr's resume is, Cotto's last win is meaningless, even a 140 pounds Paquiao would have stopped that shell of Martinez, every good middle/welter/light welter would have won that fight.
     
  10. Jacory Harris

    Jacory Harris I'm a gorilla I'm a dawg! Full Member

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    Horrible and meaningless 'win'.
     
  11. Heavy Handed

    Heavy Handed I keep planets in orbit Full Member

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    "Meaningless" is just your asinine opinion. The FACT is that he is The Lineal Middleweight Champion of the world, and won it in impressive fashion. There is no refuting the moment in history. It's etched in stone, so meaningless it is not.
     
  12. make_the_weight

    make_the_weight Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If that was floyd who best Martinez no doubt people be saying top 3 ATG
     
  13. Just Rik

    Just Rik Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It was a great win, the only win Floyd's resume that I think may be better is DLH and Alvarez. And people keep talking about Serg as if he were the walking dead, yet, it's been a full two weeks and I haven't heard him announce his retirement yet. And I just realized make_the-weight's post, he is right, people would've rode off into the sunset with that win if it were Floyd's.
     
  14. progamer

    progamer Boxing Junkie banned

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    dela hoya was sd.

    drainelo got drained to a corpse, in a div they were both champions at.

    cotto moved up.

    so, if it was a great win and sergio wasnt a shell of himself, then it would be greater than both wins you mentioned.


    either it was great win bec of the circumstances of the fight (cotto moving up and tko) or it wasnt bec sergio hasnt really recovered from 2 surgeries.

    there's no in between, imo.