Could 09-10 Pacquiao have beaten Billy Joe Saunders?

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  1. Flamazide

    Flamazide Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    He said above 147.
     
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  2. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    If he tried for the round 1 KO he would have to walk wide open and right in. And Pac would crank that left hand and immediately make him back off.
     
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  3. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Margarito was fought at 150 pounds.
     
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  4. cslb

    cslb Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He also said "legit". lol
     
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  5. Ilikeboxing

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    Eubank would walk through Pacman I'm afraid. GGG walked through Brook with no issue and Brook is probably the most powerful boxer currently at 147lbs.
    As for Tim Bradley, he's not a legit 147lber, he's naturally a 140lber
    Pacman never fought any legit in their prime 147lbers FMJ ain't even a 147lber imo
     
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  6. northpaw

    northpaw Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    If you consider a WW and a JWW fighting at 150 for a 154 title
    (where neither are even ranked at the weight) "legit"
     
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  7. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Joshua Clottey was a legit prime 147 pounder. Remember he gave Cotto hell. Golovkin is not BJS.
     
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  8. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Do you think you just made some kind of point?

    DLH was a skeleton. Ricky had been turnbuckled. Miguel had been cement-faced.

    Also, those guys were natural welters tops. You're talking about natural (big) middleweights now. If you don't see how the events of Pac's "miracle run" of eight or nine years ago has no bearing on matching him up with big prime natural 160lbers, I don't really know what to say to you.

    Why not Pacquiao vs. Haye????
     
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  9. Ilikeboxing

    Ilikeboxing Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think RG failure at a higher weight recently shows why there is weight classes. Pacman's power is gone at 160lbs, he wouldn't even get a smile from Eubank & co, just more likely a kiss back.
     
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  10. tinman

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    You're just applying the same logic that you were 8-9 years ago. Pacquiao was supposed to be too little to even compete with Marquez, Morales and Barrera. So when he beat them they thought well this must be it, it must be the last stop. So when Cotto/DLH/Hatton came up they just did the same thing and gave him even less of a chance against those guys as he was given against the Mexican Featherweights because of size. People were being laughed off this board, ridiculed, banned even! For starting threads saying Pacquiao will put Hatton/DLH/Cotto into the grave. Which he ended up doing. When he landed on Hatton the ref put his hand on Ricky's chest because he thought he was about to die. And Cotto went to the hospital and stayed in an intensive care unit.

    So clearly, Pacquiao can go as high as wants until we find out he can't go any higher.
     
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  11. cslb

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    lol How high do you think he can go?
     
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  12. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Yes. Precisely. With no hesitation and no shame. Because doing so is a far more reasonable stance than what you're saying, applying the "logic" of him beating DLH/Cotto/Hatton when people thought he wouldn't/couldn't and extrapolating that into "he can go as high as he wants". Do you REALLY believe that? Or do you want to concede that at some point something has to give and weight classes exist for a reason.

    If you want to defend your logic then say in all seriousness you could see Pacquiao beating a prime David Haye at cruiser. If not, give your reasoning for why he couldn't.
     
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  13. Ilikeboxing

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    JMM has already showed Pacman has reached his ceiling in regards to moving through the weight divisions.
     
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  14. tinman

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    Billy Joe Saunders is about the limit. I think a prime Pacquiao could decision a weak 160 titleholder. But we'd have to see how he would look at 160 and if he looked better than expected than maybe he could have made some noise at 168 especially since 168 is arguably the weakest division in boxing right now.
     
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  15. cslb

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    I have to give you credit. You are really a strong Pac fan.
     
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