Could a 1967 Muhammad Ali really beat a 1997 Lennox Lewis?

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  1. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    You're so-called "logic" is a steaming pile of BS. First of all, you didn't provide a direct quote. How do we know you're not remembering incorrectly or that you're not putting your own spin on what was written?

    I'm not even saying Lewis couldn't beat Ali. I could certainly see a strong case being made for him. But I would favor Ali myself, and anyone who refuses to acknowledge that a strong case can be made for Ali winning - well, then that's probably someone far more deserving of the "fanboy" label.

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  2. Dagnaldinho

    Dagnaldinho Active Member Full Member

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    Exhaustion knocked George out.
     
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  3. Kingmaffe

    Kingmaffe Active Member Full Member

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    Speed kills, and i have always considered Ali's power to be underrated. Sure, he didnt break bones like Foreman or Liston, but it was more than enough to keep fighters from walking him down.

    But man... i admire Lewis VERY much! Was Steward in his corner in 97? Because that could be the difference imo.
     
  4. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    Ali would box circles around him. The speed and fleet of foot would overcome the size disparity. Lewis like to measure guys up and explode on them. Don't think he'd ever get a good measure on 60's Ali
     
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  5. andrewa1

    andrewa1 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Keep smoking that weed, helps alleviate the need to face reality, I guess. I'm sorry you are simply too stupid to appreciate straightforward logic. Why are boxers so much bigger now? Why have all the sports with tangible records seen those marks shattered? Why have those records generally been broken by athletes who had a similar trajectory in size increase for their sport as hws have in boxing?

    It doesn't take a genius to figure this out, the logic is inescapable to anyone who isn't either A. Stupid or B. Trapped in their own biases. And I'm not going to indulge your fantasies and get out the Ring magazine for you to still uselessly and feebly argue the rationally indefensible.
     
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  6. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Straight forward logic? :lol:

    Please! You've engaged in numerous logical fallacies in this very brief and soon to end "dialogue". To name just a few, appeal to authority, extended analogy, appeal to emotion, multiple strawmen, and a dose of ad hominum for good measure.
     
  7. andrewa1

    andrewa1 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Well, we know you can look up rhetorical words and phrases, too bad you can't apply them in any kind of rational or coherent fashion. Except ad hominum, but then, not to be petty, but you started it.
     
  8. andrewa1

    andrewa1 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    So let me guess, comparing different sports is an "extended analogy" in your simple world. Cite your rationale. Because if that is extended, virtually every analogy is extended. It just doesn't work like that, the analogy needs to be strained, and this one is not.
     
  9. GALVATRON

    GALVATRON Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Ali in the 60's average weight was 205 pounds. In those years he was rounded out about 210 pounds. I highly doubt any boxer not named M.Tyson close to that weight defeats Lewis. What's to keep Lewis off him considering Ali wasn't a power puncher?

    People are bringing up a specific fight , the Mavrovic one. Little was known about this guy and its certainly not a fight Lewis was going to think is a threat . Stewards own words was he had the least impressive records he had ever seen.

    Of course if we nit picked fights it wouldn't remotely give Ali the edge here, how could it ?
     
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  10. slender4

    slender4 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    yep.
     
  11. navigator

    navigator "Billy Graham? He's my man." banned Full Member

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    Did you see what Ray Mercer's jab did to Lennox in '96?

    The answer to the titular question is a resounding yes.
     
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  12. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    So how do you think it goes
     
  13. C.J.

    C.J. Boxings Living Legend revered & respected by all Full Member

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    Muhammad really beat Vander TWICE !!
     
  14. C.J.

    C.J. Boxings Living Legend revered & respected by all Full Member

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    Best way to answer this question is ask Lennox I overheard someone ask Lennox
    "Do you ever think you could have beaten Ali " Lennox grinned & said " No way man Muhammad really was the greatest "
     
  15. Reg

    Reg Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Because Holyfield beats Ali.