Could a Prime Ezzard Charles beat Marciano?

I'd pick Rocky, but a prime Chalres would have a chance for an upset.

 

Still worrying about whether or not a guy has this or that colour skin I see. That kind of thinking died a long time ago (in Marciano's time - and even before), with the exception of a couple of idiots who constantly bring the matter up.

 

..even a Charles fanatic like myself conceded, as I watched it live on theatre pay-per-view that Marciano won that first fight. The difference between the two halves of the fight was a punch....legal...that caught Charles in the adam's apple and he could hardly breathe after that. He could not talk above a whisper for days.The ring magazine reporter said a Marciano blow landed after the bell (his favorite one-two was a punch while you were down followed by one after the bell)probably played a big factor....but..Marciano won and Ezzard never made any excuses and I don't either.

re: "Marciano ended Charles' prime". No way. Ezzard was past his prime when he beat Joe Louis. Even a post-prime Charles was still an outstanding fighter. If he had been in his prime for Marciano, Al Weill would not have made the match.

to say that race played a part in the decision is nonsense.

 

There was no racism in the 50's?

 

You'd certainly be a fool to write him off given how competitive both their actual fights were. It'd be very close to call that's for sure.


Either Marciano by TKO, or a points victory for Charles seem the most likely outcomes. :good

 

The fight really was not close and the end of the fight has Charles going into survival mode.

 

You seriously need to get smashed.

 

The 2nd fight was not all that close with charles winning 1 mere round on all 3 of the judges score cards going into round 8. I have the fight, and relly I think I gave Charles about the first round, and that was about it. Marciano relly took over with the knockdown of Charles in round 2, and relly pound Charles in rounds 3, 4, 5, 6, and 7.

Yes Charles got lucky with the cut in round 6. but I gave Marciano the round with Marciano's higher ounch out put, to Charles VERY low punch out put. He got that elbow in that did the damage to the nose. But relly the myth was the 2nd fight was close, but it was relly a one sided beat down for Charles.

 

Your acting like Marcaino was protected as Champion. I find that hard to belive as Marciano time and time again went after the number 1 contender. I belive the match would have STILL been made had Charles been 25 or so and still the number 1 contender.

Moore, LarSarza, and Ezzard Charles, were all rank number 1 when Rocky gave em title shots. Marciano was not side stepping to fight a weaker oppention. Sure he gave Cockell a shot, but that was more of a test run for the nose. Outside of that evey one was rank 1.

 

Charles would never win.

 

I give Charles a good chance to win a decision he was a lot quicker in his prime and harder to hit but think he would loose a trilogy 2-1 to Marciano.

 

I didn't notice much when it came to the boxing ring. Blacks fought against whites..

I any event, only small minded people keep bringing up ethnicity on nearly a constant basis.

 

If you want to be picky and play number games like that, be sure you get it right- he hadn't lost to five opponents; two of those losses were to the same opponent(Walcott), and it's plenty debatable whether those four(aside from Walcott) were the best opponents- the main reason you'd rank Valdes ahead of other opponents in that group is because he beat Charles, which is circular reasoning, and I think it's debatable whether Johnson or Layne were better heavyweights than Maxim or Bivins. Of the non-Walcott losses, two were very close/disputed decisions(Layne and Johnson) and Charles had since avenged the Layne loss in dominant fashion. He had just won back-to-back resounding knockouts over top 10 opponents and was the #1 contender for Marciano's title. Like I said before, while his career was a little bit on the downhill slope, he was by no means a used-up fighter at that point.

 

Better to ignore him I think Luigi.