Could a prime Mike Tyson actually dominate Ali?

Tyson would have given up by the 5th round. Once the initial 2-3 round blitz dies done Ali starts hitting him with the jab and fast combinations, gradually demoralizes and wears MT down for either a late stoppage or wide decision.

Tyson just not mentally strong enough for someone like Ali IMO.

 

The story about Chuvalo giving Ali a vicious beating never seems to die. The main source for that is Chuvalo, who likes to talk about how he beat up Ali. Which is fine i guess, but it is strange when fans keep repeating it. The fight is up on youtube, right there for everyone to see. And there is nothing relentless and vicious about Chuvalo. He is completely outclassed and takes a beating.

After just a few rounds he goes into his shell, tucks his chin down and settles for just plodding forward. Yes, he catches Ali to body in some rounds, they fought for 12 rounds after all. But can you honestly name a point in the fight where Ali appears to be hurt or even slightly in trouble?

Chuvalo was a brave fighter who faced all comers and I have all the respect in the world for him, but the fight against Ali wasn't close at all, he was beat up and outclassed.

Tyson was superior fighter than was Chuvalo, you can make a good argument as to why you think he would beat Ali, but basing it on Chuvalo's success, or rather lack of success, is not the way to go.

 

Don't waste your time with him. This fool will actually try to convince you that Ruddock hit harder than Foreman and Liston.

 

Tyson was out jabbed by Holyfield and Douglas, those jabs do take a toll on you after 5 rounds.

 

Yeah, I also can't understand how Chuvalo managed to propagate himself as some difficult opponent for Ali. It's right there to watch how he gets outclassed by Ali.

And this "going to hospital and ****ing blood"-thing, I've only heard from Chuvalo. Nothing to verify it. Can someone look at that fight and say with a straight face that Ali gets "a vicious body beating"?

 

Yes he would.

 

Oh my god shut the **** up you tool.

 

I pretty much agree here...:good I think Tyson is competitive though.

 

no, tyson couldn't. ali had such good resistance strength, he wouldn't have many problems tying up tyson and then pushing him off, to get his way.

 

Tyson's unusual in that he has a box of tools that Ali encountered individually, but rarely in combination.

He's almost got Patterson's handspeed. He hits harder than anybody Ali faced outside of Shavers, Foreman, and maybe Liston. He's durable. He's got every punch in the book, including -- especially important for this matchup -- a great left hook. He jabs well and consistently, which usually bothered Ali. He's got quick feet and is pretty skilled at cutting off the ring, which you need against Ali. Incredible finisher, too.

Admittedly he's missing upper-tier stamina and a good inside game, but he's got better stamina than somebody like Foreman; he'd be dangerous for all 12. And depending on the ref, Ali would probably be allowed to clinch a lot anyway, which Tyson was accustomed to from all of his other opponents.

Tyson is one of the few fighters who'd have a non-negligible chance at actually stopping a prime Ali.

 

I think there's a real possibility that Tyson could've beaten the **** out of Ali. Tyson fought a slew of fighters who imitated Ali to one degree or another, and had few problems before Douglas.

There's a chance that if Tyson hurt Ali early to the point where he would fight in survival mode or get Tko'd. Tyson's chance would improve a whole lot if he got the hook in like Cooper and Frazier.


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Pugilist_Spec is the man. I totally agree with him. If guys like Cooper and Sonny Banks dropped Ali with hooks, Tyson can to. Tyson was way past it when he fought Holyfield, and was an unprepared wreck for Douglas. He had plenty of fortitude, and took beatings to stay on his feet in the fights he lost.

Ali, on the other hand, sacrificed power for speed. He couldn't break an egg, because he was on his toes and just trying to score points. Tyson had speed AND power at the same time. He would have dropped Ali a couple of times at least, if they'd fought.

 

I think that you are overstating the case here.

Ali might not have been a heavy puncher, but he was a prety darn good finisher.

 

Even a not fully matured Ali had enough on his punches to stagger Liston and drive him back two times in their first fight. He also hurt Foreman at several occasions before finally KO'ing him.

It's a mystery to me why Norton and Frazier was so relatively unbothered by Ali's punches, but boxing is like that sometimes.

 

I remember some instances of Ali hurting Norton though they were far and few. Reason being, Norton had a style that nullified Ali's jab. Ali's jab set up most of his KOs.