Could A Prime Wlad Outbox A Prime Ali

Agreed, but tiny in comparison, tiny !!

 

Liston was a geriatric, I think peak Liston and Foreman with more experience could be a different outcome

 

People will look at that fight and say Wlad wins as Haye is the closest thing to Ali he's fought and dominated him. But then I could say Ali fought his own 6'6" octopus in Ernie Terrell and toyed with him.

I'm not going to pretend Terrell is anywhere near as good as Wlad, so I find the idea you think Haye is anywhere near as good as Ali laughable.

Ali was quicker, more agile and used far more movement. Far better jab and as elusive as Haye can be with his head movement 60's Ali was more elusive.

But having said that I think this fight is far more competitive than some would like to think it is. Ali's winning comes down to if he can get off first, he doesn't have a style designed to get inside on Wlad, like say Mike Tyson would, he has to beat Wlad at his own game and do what Fury did, get off first and then move and reset and repeat. Much harder for Ali to do than for Fury due to the size disparity. But if any heavyweight that was smaller than Wlad could do it, it's Ali.

Wlad doesn't really fit the mold of the fighters that give Ali trouble, while he has the left hook, he isn't anywhere near as small or fast and as good on the inside like Frazier, Cooper, Banks. While Wlad is fast for a man his size, he's slow compared to those little guys and Ali tended to struggle with guys who he didn't have such a huge speed advantage over and who had good left hooks. Ali's chin and Wlad's cautious style likely means he can't KO Ali and has to out point him, which is a tough task, but then who has ever out boxed Wlad either?

I think Ali would win a close decision. He's flashy and his style could see him steal close rounds. I think his speed, movement and unconventional style might be the difference. I think Ali can get in and out much better than Haye could and fact is getting out really isn't an issue as Wlad doesn't counter. Ali could take and would take more risks to get to Wlad than Haye ever did because Ali had a far better chin and once he realises Wlad won't counter or exchange with him, he'll be more aggressive and out work Wlad down the stretch for the decision.

 

Ali

Ali did not have power, he had speed...Anyone that knocked Wlad out probably punches twice as hard as Ali

 

If you jab with Ali then the fight gets closer. Ali had a good jab, great jab, but he could be out jabbed by lesser jabbers throughout his career. Wlad would be a very very hard fight for Ali, hes not tieing Wlad up and leaning on him in clinches. The way Wlad fought Haye, who has a good bit more one shot power than Ali, I wouldn't bet on an Ali win, Wlad wouldn't be as cautious either coming forward

 

why would you write something like this on a public forum?

You must, at least deep down, be aware the magnitude of how wrong you are. I am genuinely curious as to whats motivating you to make this mistake.

 

Wlad would be lucky to last 2 rounds with joe.

 

Ali wasn't god, he got decisions he shouldn't of got, got dropped by lesser punchers than Haye, and could be beat like anyone.

 

what has it got to do with being a god? Wlad gets destroyed by middlers serially.

unless you worship really mediocre gods.

 

Ali's lack of power compared to Haye, isn't a factor as Ali isn't likely to knock out Wlad, he isn't a big enough puncher like Haye was, he wouldn't just be looking for one big counter like Haye did.

Wlad may not be cautious in coming forward but let's not pretend he is great at cutting off the ring, that's not his style, he uses his size so he doesn't have to cut off the ring, in fact if he's forced to try that against Ali it means he's losing the fight from the outside like he did vs Fury and is being forced to press. So Wlad being the aggressor and marching forward isn't a scenario he really wants, because it's a losing scenario for him.

And don't confuse 70's Ali with 60's Ali. Who out jabbed 60's Ali? When did 60's Ali clinch and lean. If were going to use lesser versions of one fighter why not lets match the Wlad that gassed vs Puritty vs Ali then and say Ali KO's an exhausted Wlad. We're talking about prime vs prime.

 

Cooper, that's why I mentioned it or could jab with him..Ali had problems with boxers, that's why Norton was so difficult for him, his jab. The reason Haye fought the way he did was because of the size difference v's Wlad, Ali would've been cautious too, not as bad, he'd disguise it with dancing around Wlad a lot out of range. Holyfield has a solid chance of beating Ali too, strong willed, fundamentally complete.

 

I actually think very early 70's Ali was his prime without the rust. Stronger and wiser

 

People think hes unbeatable or better than he was down to their love of him

 

Claiming Wlad's loss to Fury has any baring on this is a joke.....

Is Ali going to look to hold on every engagement like Fury?



Klitschko is supremely fit for a man of his size.......
I struggle to see Ali's 'outlasting' strength being enough to combat the size.

 

not evensure why this thread was started, between an ATG and a guy who needed his brother to fight for him in order to get a title even for short time. clowns thread.