Could A Prime Wlad Outbox A Prime Ali

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Ali wouldn't be able to get off, he'd have to turn it so he's the aggressor, like he had to with Bugner, and I don't think its an effective game plan v Wlad, he gets out strengthed in his usual comfort zone

 

But your posting in it you weapon

 

and u, but someones got to say it.

 

say what, what you said ?? Its ****** stuff, don't post on it unless your willing to accept your a walking contradiction

 

He isn't perfect, he had flaws like any fighter, but Wlad doesn't excel in the areas where Ali struggled. Ali struggled with small fast heavies with good left hooks who could get inside his jab and work him up close, guys like Cooper, Banks, Frazier. Wlad has the left hook but he isn't good on the inside or have as fast enough hands.

Ali excelled when faced with bigger, slower, harder hitting heavies like Liston and Foreman and while Wlad is clearly more a more skilled boxer than those two he fits the mold of being bigger and slower. Wlad would fight from the outside where Ali excelled, playing into Ali's strengths not his weaknesses.

Wlad's own weaknesses much like Ali's are well known. His chin isn't great, but Ali doesn't hit hard enough to KO him suddenly. But Wlad also has poor stamina, he's very big and tires, but learned to lean and clinch on guys to rest, Ali in his prime wouldn't fight a style that would allow Wlad to jab and clinch as effectively against smaller guys that want to get inside. The fights where Wlad didn't clinch a lot were always against guys that fought from range, Ali would fight from range, so Wlad might not be able to control the pace like he usually does and we all know Ali had fine stamina and could go 15 hard rounds.

Wlad's style is all about getting off first and then clinching or smothering a counter, Ali might be the one smaller guy quick enough on the outside who could beat Wlad to the punch. He might not have the range of Fury but he is much quicker and more mobile. If Wlad can't get off first against the quicker guy, he will lose because as we saw vs Fury he's no good and pressing or countering.

 

Ali had a size advantage over nearly everyone he fought, a good jab and left hook is what caused Ali problems and Wlad's got both and the size to implement it...

Have you seen Ali press a fight, where he has to be the aggressor ?? Not a pretty sight. Bugner was a very placid fighter that wouldn't make a fight of it with Ali, so Ali turned aggressor and it was awful to watch. Quick 1 2 then maul missing the 1 2 a lot of the time as he's out his comfort zone. Now if Ali has an opponent in trouble he was beautiful to watch land, but aggressor nope..Williams was a fight where Ali is most credited for his display of punching, faultlessly . But in Ali's words " it bothers me to fight a man that isn't physically at his best".. I don't rate that win like most

 

Nobody takes you seriously on any of these HW threads.

I can only hope for your own sake that every post you make is just for fun.

 

The TS is looking at a prime version of Ali.

 

I think he has to be trolling.

Every post he makes on a HW thread is ridiculous.

 

BoxingIQ,

A prime version of Ali wouldn't have been cautious.

He'd have played mind games.

He'd have psyched Wlad out at the presser before the fight.

If Wlad had possessed Vitali's overall toughness and mental strength, he'd have been just about unstoppable.

Ali would have goaded him in the ring, in the same way he goaded Liston and Foreman.

Wlad would have pawed out his jab whilst not fully committing to it like how he did against Fury and Joshua.

Wlad couldn't take out Haye, even when he was trapped up against the ropes. Haye's upper body movement alone was enough to evade Wlad's shots.

Ali would have been up on his toes in the centre of ring, circling and feinting, and Wlad would have been cautious and frustrated trying to set himself.

 

It would have been possible, but we've just seen him struggle with Jacobs and Canelo. And as great as he is, he's very easy to hit.

At their best, Toney and Mike were elite technicians. A step up from Canelo and Jacobs.

 

Correct, but his response to Smack's post was justified.

It was a joke of a post.

 

There are positives and negatives with 70's Ali..He was only 28/29 when he comeback, and when he come back he was heavier and stronger, not as fleet footed but that would've happened without the layoff with age and weight gain. He needed the weight and strength to compete in the 70's more than the 60's. Bigger stronger guys. Holyfield has a style imo that sees him compete with Ali and give him L's

 

Ugliest fight I can think of Haye v Ali. Lol, I don't want to add fuel to the fire, but Haye belongs in there with him. Haye beats most of Ali's opponents and looks better doing it in some. Great fighter prime Haye was. With Ali, people overrate him sometimes. Vitali, Lewis, Wlad these guys with their skills and being prime coupled with the size advantage is a lot to ask a 15 stone fighter to beat. Lewis prime I put money on beating Ali

 

Maybe he could have.... maybe he couldn't have, we will never know