Could Aaron Pryor Have Beat Alexis Arguello Without The Black Bottle ?

Hey, this has given me an idea for another thread....

 

I never heard that before. Thank you for the information.

 

Arguello almost took Pryor's head off in 13th round with the most picture perfect right hand ive ever seen his head literally snapped back all the way.

Now I don't know anything about drugs but that punch would've knocked out a rhino, I refuse to believe Pryor wasn't on something to help him take that punch without be affecting what so ever maybe PCP ? Who knows.

 

The second fight is only irelevant because it doesn't support the agenda.
Pryor wasn't the same after the 1st fight either, after the wear and tear
of that fight, and hanging out on the streets of Liberty City in his
1st encounter with crack addiction.
Panama Lewis was seen as "dodgy' only after the Collins and
Resto fight. Prior to that he was seen as the next great trainer.
One thing I've learned in my many years of law enforcement (29 yrs now)
is by the time you're caught for a crime, you've probably gotten away
with it at least ten times.
Lewis was a protege of Correa and worked with Arcel and Brown , and was in the corner
for a few of Duran's biggest fights and victories, and quite a few other fighters.
Leonard said it was the hardest he'd ever been hit after Montreal,
and felt like Duran had bricks in his gloves.....
The Davey Moore fight saw Moore's face battered like he'd
was beaten with a baseball bat.
All done by a natural lightweight.
Some more wild ass theories and speculation supported
only by a connection to Panama Lewis.
We have no clue what was in that bottle. It may have
been Asthma tablets in water, Liquid cocaine, or
Perrier water as Lewis said it was.
Either way, it was taken orally, (That's provable)
and had to go through the digestive system to
get into the bloodstream ,
and extremely unlikely to have had any effect
in the time left in that fight. (Roughly 3-4 minutes).
We're supposed to be innocent until proven
guilty by overwelming evidence.
But as in society in general that only apply's
to people we like........

 

To your second point plenty of things taken orally can make an immidiate diffrence, and luis resto claimed that lewis would give his fighters ground up astma medication which would theoredically have an immidiate livening effect,
While it is impossible to prove if there was anything in the bottle, it is more than likely knowing what we know about lewis and the footage that shows him talking about mixing it

It is not like the fury vs wilder fight where wilder had a hundred theories of how fury cheated, here we have actuall evidence that something was done (though only circumstantial evidence and we don't know exactly what)
As far as giving pryor credit, no substence would give him the heart to push forward in such a brutal fight, and no question that he deserves full credit for the rematch
but for me the first fight will always have an asterics next to it

 

We'll have to agree to disagree Flash.

I couldn't care less between these two fighters.

Pryor took some heavy blows in the first fight but he wasn't the one left unconscious for minutes on end. The difference is immense. Pryor looked as good as ever in the rematch, possibly better. Arguello was dropped in the 1st and 4th by blows he'd worn in the previous stouch.

If you are claiming Duran's gloves were loaded against Ray and Moore you are free to pursue that. What we have with Pryor - Arguello is Lewis in the corner specifically asking for the bottle he mixed. It's right there.

Resto was actually a very light hitting fighter, Duran wasn't. He could still drop a middleweight champ and win the title at almost 40. If he had loaded gloves in the first SRL fight he landed enough punches to take his face to pieces. But that's not the debate.

Whatever was in the bottle was illegal and Lewis was cheating no matter what one thinks of any perceived performance gains. The fact is Lewis obviously thought it mattered.

As I've already said, it's impossible to be sure of what would have happened without the bottle, and that speculation goes both ways.

If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck and quacks like a duck it's probably a duck. The victory is, at the very least, tainted.

 

Looking forward.

 

Thank you! , whatever was in that bottle was still in his stomach when he ko'ed Arguello. This myth has gone on far too long

 

I agree with you, except the Costello fight was a non-title event.

 

You sure? Thought they fought the championship. Going strictly off my memory. Could be wrong.

 

No, he wouldn't take the urine test!

 

The fact that a black bottle was prepared and used tells you Lewis (and probably Pryor) think it was needed.

 

The question is not only what was in that bottle, but also this substance has to be effective very fast, most substances when taken orally need more than 10 minutes or so... He got this bottle in round 13, why not earlier.