Could Ali handle the size of a Lewis?

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  1. guilalah

    guilalah Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Well, if the question is
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    e.g. how would Ali, as he was in his day, deal with Lewis, as Lewis was in his own day, that's the question people should discuss.

    However, there is nothing illogical about asking
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    how Ali would have done if he's have come along in Lewis's day, or vice versa, the temporally transplanted boxer developing in analogy to how he had developed in his own time (i.e., in proportion to the opportunities for development).

    There are degrees of actualities. The boxers nature is an actuality which is a potential for his or her powers; their actual powers is in turn a potential for their operations. Scenario
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  2. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    Why don't we just ask ourselves this:

    If Lewis had been born in 1945 and to a different set of parents, would he have become an actor and appeared in Monty Python and perhaps even the Benny Hill show, rather than take up boxing?
     
  3. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    You of course have proof to back up these statements.
     
  4. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Ernie had cement feet too.
     
  5. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Most jabs are aimed at the face. If height were the only variable (reach being equal), this still puts the shorter fighter at a disadvantage.
     
  6. guilalah

    guilalah Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Hi, Mr. Magoo


    Well, you have some point. Now, what I am taking to be constants for scenario
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  7. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    ...five pages, and nobody bit? :yep :clap:
     
  8. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    Ali wasn't exactly a tiny heavyweight. Neither was Louis. They didn't weigh as much but a case can be made their savvy and techniques would pose big threats. I still think Ali is the best H2H heavyweight ever, then Lennox, so I'm biased.
     
  9. Andrei00

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    Yeah, most likely. However, I still think Ali beats Lewis. Too much movement, handspeed, and I believe Ali is smarter too.

    P.S: This comes from a pretty big anti-Ali guy! :good
     
  10. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    Give Ali 20 lbs of muscle and some dread locks and he mops the floor with Lewis.
     
  11. hernanday

    hernanday Guest

    That is a way also to do it, but you will be getting hit to. With angles tallerman is missing you aren't
     
  12. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    Ali had the same height, reach, fighting weight, chin, stamina, and punching power as Evander Holyfield. Plus, he was faster than Holyfield and a better boxer with much better footwork. Having just watched a 37 year old Holyfield fight a 34 year old Lewis twice, I gave the first fight to Lewis by a point and the second to Holyfield by two. If Holyfield could fight two close fights with Lewis then Ali could do at least as well, depending which phase of their careers both men were in.

    Lewis' main weapon in both Holyfield fights was a jab and Ali had a better jab than Lewis. Ali would likewise be giving up six inches of reach and two inches of height, which would make it difficult to pot shot at range and head hunt the way he liked to do, but I can't see Ali stalking, pressuring Lewis, backing him up, lunging in, trying to work the inside and getting counter punched all night like Holyfield did. Ali'd probably let Lewis be the aggressor and hit him coming in or when Lewis bent over to throw shots the way he did with Holyfield. And he might try leaning against the ropes, turning, and blocking punches the way he fought George Foreman.
     
  13. MadcapMaxie

    MadcapMaxie Guest

    Wlad gained a significant amount of weight compared to his early pro days and his days in kick boxing about 30lbs+ actually, as well his brother was caught with them so i can safely assume he takes them.

    Both Lewis and the K2 would be ALOT smaller had they grown up and fought in Ali's era, they have huge advantages in modern diets, supplements, weight training and roids to gain strength and size. All Ali did was drink juice, eat lean meat, hit the bag, run, spar and do sit ups. Ali was naturally a very huge guy and it honestly wouldn't suprise me at all if the K2 were born in that era and did that type of training if they didnt even scale 200lbs.
     
  14. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    That's given me food for thought. Combine the two scenarios of boxing and Monty Python :D Picture Lennox in the ring after hearing the judges decision at the end of his first fight with Evander Holyfield. Lennox taking the mic and saying to the crowd "There's worse things that happen at sea ya know.......Always look on the bright side of life. This judge's decision's a lot of **** when it comes to it........"
     
  15. hernanday

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    I never said height was the only variable in fact I said
    "1. Klitschko reach is also 80, so there goes his jab. Him and ali have equal reaches meaning the guy with the faster fist and feet win."
    Two gun slingers with the same gun, whoever can pull quicker wins. whoever is able to fire it off first wins.

    Even at that the shorter fighter is at an advantage because there is less of him to hit, no one practices throwing punches down. And everyone knows you chop a tree down by the root not the top, there'd be no reason for Ali to attempt to throw to his face when his body is wide open.

    Even if we assume two equal fighters with only difference being height. Who has a bigger head, who has bigger body, who will not be able to properly defend their body because there arms are proportionally shorter, who will tired first because tall guys have endurance issues. Despite being cut as he is Klitschko will never be able to keep both his muscle and move well. Lennox is a freak in that regard.