Could Ali handle the size of a Lewis?

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  1. sinol

    sinol Guest

    yes easily cause lewis or vitali would have to reset eveytime ali moved.....
     
  2. Entaowed

    Entaowed Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    I pick Ali for most of the reasons mentioned, & presumably he would go to the body more as with Terrell when beneficial.

    I am extremely anti-PEDs. But it is not reasonable or fair to throw around accusations about usage without compelling evidence.

    Wlad or Lewis MIGHt have used. But they are big men & I do not recall a muscle gain that was so quick, or they reached such a lean weight for their height, that we can say they must have or even likely used PEDs.

    There is evidence against Holyfield. And some like Toney do not stay lean. Some like A-Rod use stuff to become strong but limit mass.
    Absent implausible speed or total mass gained for bone structure, it is irresponsible to assume cheating & lying without evidence.
     
  3. ribtickler68

    ribtickler68 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    One was a bit low! There's a photo somewhere of him landing to Cleveland Williams's body.
     
  4. ribtickler68

    ribtickler68 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    What accounts for Vlad's vast improvement in stamina? I know steroids wouldn't, but there are plenty of other substances that could.
     
  5. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    Ali was essentially two inches shorter w at most two inches less of reach .. Ali was a naturally exceptionally strong heavyweight, his chin and speed exceptional ... he is one of the guys I pick to defeat a prime, focused Lennox ..
     
  6. janitor

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    Ali comprehensively knocked out a man, who was able to take a long layoff from boxing, and come back in his 40s to win the lineal title, shortly before Lewis.

    The same man in his prime had been knocked out by Ali, dropped by Jimmy Young, and dropped repeatedly by Ron Lyle.

    Such 90s heavyweight monsters, as he elected to face, could not replicate these results against an old man.

    What does this say about the 90s heavyweights?
     
  7. McGrain

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    As I've said before, nothing.

    Those two old men beat two ranked fighters between them. Two. Even though one of those men was champ, pretending that somehow says something about a decade is not reasonable IMO.
     
  8. energie

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    he sure would .............:smoke
     
  9. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    I think it is reasonable!

    Where was the Johnson to destroy poor old Jeffries?

    Where was the Marciano to destroy poor old Louis?

    Where was the Holmes to destroy poor old Ali?

    Where was the Tyson to destroy poor old Holmes?

    Why is this the first era, where the current generation failed against the last?
     
  10. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Holyfield, for example, who did beat Foreman pretty clearly? Jeffries, of course, lasted longer than Foreman in the ring with his Holyfield.

    If this is meant to be Holmes, what answer can I give? Anyone. Any one of the top fighters around at that time. Holmes beat ONE ranked fighter (end of year), the very inconsistent Mercer. He didn't beat anyone else. The "Marciano" at that time could have been Bowe, Lewis, Holyfield or Tyson. FOUR "Marcianos" none of whom Holmes went anywhere near, and quite right. One of them had already utterly destroyed him.

    That didn't happen, as i've explained.

    It's honestly - this is no exaggeration - it's honestly no different to Lewis coming out of retirement now and beating Vyacheslav Glazkov and you concluding that this had meaning for the decade of boxing we are currently in.
     
  11. Vanboxingfan

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    This is a fair and balanced approach, nice post. Those who claim fighter A or fighter B use steroids without a shred of evidence, usually have an agenda.
     
  12. Vanboxingfan

    Vanboxingfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    While this was officially a knock out, we all know that Ali duped Foreman into punching himself out and only then, after Foreman was completely exhausted, did Ali knock him out. That's not something that can be replicated, unless the boxer in question is a complete idiot and didn't learn a damn thing from that experience.
     
  13. sauhund II

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    Over 15 Lewis gets comprehensively outboxed, he would not be able to impose his will on Ali and dictate the fight. Lewis was no conditioning monster over twelve and he would be very conservative over 15.

    Pretty boring fight with Ali peppering him with jabs and movement from the outside and Lewis right ****ed but never able to pull the trigger. Lewis's clumsy footwork will be his most obvious undoing.
     
  14. Bummy Davis

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    Ali's speed and superior footwork give him a nice lead, clowning posing and flurrying round 11 to 15 may be tough for Lewis....size would not be an issue stamina and speed would.
     
  15. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    In this stylistic matchup I agree.