Could any other boxer in history be 50-0 if they fought the same opponents as Floyd?

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  1. royjonesfan

    royjonesfan Member banned Full Member

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    They fight the exact opponents as Mayweather did. Oscar would obviously lose to Mosley. Mosley would lose to Pac. Pac would lose to Marq.
     
  2. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

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    Marquez beat Pac 1/4 fights so Pac could easily go 50-0 on that resume.
     
  3. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    I don’t see him easily beating Oscar and Canelo at 154. I don’t see 38 y/o Pac beating 36 yo Pac.
     
  4. fistsof steel

    fistsof steel Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Chavez made Him look awful end of story.!!!
     
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    Imo Chavez drew with Whitaker, but regardless Chavez wasn't a welterweight, the weights to rank him in are from 130 to 140 lbs.

    …...and Mayweather beating Rosario and Taylor without issue???

    Rosario imo would have a very good chance to upset Mayweather. The reason why he demolished Bramble is that he didn't head hunt.
    Rosario would go to the body and punch at Mayweather's chest, (not his head) to try to break through.
    Jose Luis Castillo was able to hurt Mayweather, and Rosario is a similar body puncher type with a lot more punching power than Castillo.

    I would favor Meldrick Taylor over Mayweather. Mayweather had extreme difficulty with the hand speed of Zab Judah and unlike Judah, Taylor would have been able to carry his work load through a full 12 rounds without exhausting himself and going to pieces like Judah was accustomed to doing.

    For you to automatically dismiss those two as easy work for Mayweather is laughable.

    Who the hell did Mayweather ever face that was near his prime and as complete a p4p fighter as Meldrick Taylor was????
    There isn't anyone on Mayweather's resume that is comparable to a prime Meldrick Taylor.

    Against Whitaker? Mayweather would have to be the aggressor as Whitaker's style and defense has many more dimensions to it than Mayweather's.
    While Mayweather is mainly a shoulder rolling and pulling out type of defense, Whitaker did all Mayweather did plus dip, slide, bend at joints unimaginable to most fighters.
    With Mayweather having to be the aggressor, I'm not quite sure he'd be able to outbox Whitaker that way.
    That's a tough one, but then I think that if a poor man's version of Whitaker in Zab Judah was able to clearly outbox Mayweather for most of the first half of their fight, Whitaker is 10X the fighter Zab Judah was.
    Something to think about.
     
  6. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    You’re wrong.

    And Chavez couldn’t compete at 47 and 54 because he was worse than Mayweather.
     
  7. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    You know very little about the sport and you know nothing about Chavez.

    Its not about being better or worse...….

    Strenghth and conditioning my friend, during Chavez' era, very few fighters had strenghth and conditioning coaches, Main Events promoted fighters which included Pernell Whitaker, Meldrick Taylor, Evander Holyfield, and a few other Olympians did have strenghth and conditioning coaches for their fighters.
    The mid to late 80's was the start of when some fighters started using strenghth and conditioning coaches, certainly Mexican fighters which included JC Chavez trained the old school way.
    In hindsight looking at it now, I can see why Pernell Whitaker and Evander Holyfield were able to thrive at higher weight classes with the help of strenghth training.

    In JC Chavez' own words today, he never could physically get up to 147 lbs and be physically in fighting shape but now concedes to the notion that if he fought and trained in today's era, he more than likely would have gotten acclimated to the welterweight division with the help of a strenghth and conditioning coach and the supplements fighters take today.

    I guess it takes an older guy like myself to educate fans like yourself who need education.
    Before the 80's, very few fighters won world titles in more than 2 weight divisions.
    Back then it took the right match making and a special type of fighter to win titles in more than 3 weight classes.
    The further away from the 80's we've come, the easier it has become for even average champions to win titles in multiple divisions.

    A fighter like Adrien Broner would have been lucky to have held at World title period during the 80's.
    Fighting in today's era he's held 3 in different weight classes.
    Jorge Arce is the Mexican fighter with the most world titles in different weight classes. He's held them in 5 different weight classes
    Jorge Arce wouldn't make a top 40 list of Mexican greats. That's how easy titles are to obtain in this era.

    That and the fact that strength and conditioning coaches make it viable for fighters to fight in weight classes they otherwise would not be able to do without their help.

    Different era's my friend, if JC Chavez fought in this era, he could possibly have gone up to 154 lbs and won a title with the right match making, he certainly would have been prime to beatdown Floyd Mayweather at 147 lbs.
    If a poor man's version of Chavez beat Mayweather at 135 lbs and Maidana at 147 lbs, certainly their would have been a possibility for JC Chavez to lay a pummeling on PBF. LOL!

    The point is you cant compare fighters of prior era's against today's era where its much easier for mediocrity to run into a World title.
     
  8. NoNeck

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    Meldrick Taylor was the midway point between Floyd Mayweather and Ivan Robinson.
     
  9. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    OK! LOL!