Could any version of Chavez beat Floyd Jr???

I'd actually give Taylor a chance of beating Floyd.

 

Short of breaking his hand or ripping his shoulder, Floyd would beat any version of Chavez.

 

Yeah because it makes perfect sense.

- Non-HOF Castillo and Maidana are much better point than the ATG Chavez.

- Castillo and Maidana are not agressive body punchers like Chavez.

- Mayweather - Castillo II was not close on the official cards, after claiming a supposed and unproven injury in the first fight.

Nice try buddy

 

Floyd, style wise could win, but I'd make Chavez a favorite

 

I've always wondered why when he uses his shoulder roll moves to evade punches and counter punch, why opponents don't just forget about hitting the head and just aim for the shoulder directly? Still I guess it's not as simple as that as someone would have successfully tried that tactic by now if it worked.

 

Maidana would've kicked a 147 pound, late 30s Chavez's ass. Floyd wasn't especially close to losing to Maidana either.

Floyd beat Castillo in 8-4 in the rematch, big deal. He also won the first fight if you were unaware.

If Castillo is the end-all-be all of ranking Floyd Mayweather, then surely he was only slightly better than Stevie Johnston. Would you agree?

Chavez lost to several of the upper echelon boxers he faced, other than a conspicuous draw, and a a fight he needed the last 10 seconds of to win.

 

Floyd is fast like Tayler, and although doesn't punch in the volume Tayler did, hi could successfully hit and run all night . He is a safety first boxer, Chavez looks ordinary to me, though he must hit hard by seeing what he accomplished. A good safety first boxer should handle him

 

It's ok picking Mayweather to beat Chavez, he's a top fighter but I don't know how anyone could look at Chavez and think him "ordinary".

 

Based on the official scorecards Floyd - Castillo II and Floyd - Maidana were close fights. Your personal opinion is of little relevance in that regard.

No. Floyd had difficulty with Castillo because styles make fights. Chavez is a better version of Castillo, so you do the maths.

It is easy to pick apart anybody's resume. Chavez is universally recognized ATG. Again your personal opinion does not matter that much there.

 

Chavez has an excellent chance of beating Floyd.

It's close to an even fight where neither man has a particular stylistic advantage.

I don't really see a way how it can be a clear winner for either man due to the struggles both faced against similar fighters.

 

87-88 LW Chavez could and would beat Floyd.

 

The point of the shoulder roll is that you roll, not block punches with the shoulder. Your shoulder has less mobility than your hand/glove so you cannot block with the shoulder as you would with a glove by constantly changing your guard, a la abraham or winky wright. What floyd does is deflect, or change the path of a punch by rolling it off his shoulder so it does not hit his head. Because of this, punches dont hit full force on any part of his body. Floyd also leans back, which further reduce the impact on his shoulder. Gatti and probably alot of floyds other opponents had the same idea, and we all know how that turned out

 

I dont see a loss on Floyd's record. I see several on Chavez's and they were all to men who could box, including a loss to Willy Wise around the age Floyd was shutting down universally recognized ATG Manny Pacquiao. These are the facts and your personal opinion doesnt matter so you do the math.

 

I gave you the facts which you can not refute. You gave an excuse of an unproven shoulder injury.

You are talking about losses of a past prime Chavez. They mean very little in this context.

 

You had to follow closely at the time to appreciate how good Chavez was. Watching youtube 25-30 yrs later does not do the trick

He had versatility. He could box and punch. He had a ATG chin. He had decent defense. He was a great body puncher.

He boxed against aggressive Rocky Lockridge and powerful Juan Laporte.

He walked right through Rosario's best shots and systematically broke him down.

He walked through Roger Mayweather's best right hands and slowly wore him down on the inside.

He absorbed a lot from Taylor, but also wore Taylor down with hard shots.

Only a true ATG like Whitaker had the style to out slick him without absorbing much punishment. And Chavez was not prime when they fought.

Randall beat him but absorbed a lot himself.

Floyd is an ATG

But I do think the competition in the mid 80s-mid 90's was very high and Chavez beat everyone at the top from 130-140 but Whitaker in this time period.

I don't think Floyd could negate Chavez's strengths quite as well as the ultra slick Pernell Whitaker could.

And, based on what I saw Castillo do against Floyd at 135, I can envision Chavez, at his peak at 135 lbs go beyond Castillo's success and outpoint Floyd.