Could anybody beat Wilfredo Gomez at 122?

Someone correct if I am wrong but didn't Zarate move up in weight to fight Gomez? Everyone always makes excuses for his biggest loss. What about his biggest win though. Back on topic, Morales has the biggest chance of all the fighters listed.

 

This is at 122, being clever doesn't exactly give you a win over Gomez, especially consider he was even more rounded offensively, with better power than MAB.

 

You've actually watched Gomez/Zarate, complete destruction of a fellow ATG, and favor Guzman like you do? Perhaps you don't know too much about Zarate?

And what do you mean "such old fighters"? It's not like they fought in the 20's, they fought in the 70's and 80's, not exactly primitive, by anyone's standards to my knowledge. Better era than the one we're in now.

 

Yes, I've seen Gomez-Zarate and as amazing as Gomez looked in the 3 fights that I've seen of him, I've been a little more impressed with Guzman.

My "old fighters" comment was towards Olivares and especially Jofre. I didn't say they were primative either, I just wanted to say that they never fought anyone with nearly as much talent as Guzman at 122. But again, I don't know much about them, so Barrera/Morales/Zaragoza/Pac/Marquez/Fenech are the only fights that I could correctly analyze and I think Guzman beats them all.

I don't want to look ignorant arguing with you without watching enough Gomez/Olivares and not even remembering seeing any Jofre.. but after I watch more I'll be able to give you a detailed answer as to why Guzman would beat them. Maybe I'll discover something that'll make me think Gomez beats him, we'll see. You do have to give some respect to Guzman though and recognize how great he was H2H at 122.

 

You consider that a foregone conclusion?

Also, when speaking of competition, how can you so easily say that because Gomez has never faced anyone like Guzman, it will make a large difference, when not taking into account that Guzman himself faced noone near the caliber of fighter of Zarate, who Gomez destroyed?

 

No, that's why I edited the message and added that last part in right after I posted it. I did that before you replied too, so it wasn't a reaction to what you just wrote.

 

Same thing with my last post.

Anyways, give it a go, analyze his fights a bit more. I see Gomez as a fantastic boxer overall in that he was very click, accurate, and powerful. Very good, slick, subtle movements on defense, perfect for countering, and when he threw a punch it had intent on it. And when he had you hurt, the Gomez of 122 was easily one of the best finishers in the history of the game.

I am not as impressed with Guzman as you and Amsterdam, who consider him Godly, as I see a lot of physical ability, with good combos, etc, but he was a much more wild fighter than Gomez, especially when the opponent was hurt, didn't know how to put you away as well.

 

Would you pick him over Pac/MAB at 122? Howabout vs JMM/Pac today?

BTW, the "never faced anyone close to Guzman's talent" comment was about Olivares/Jofre. I'll watch more Gomez and keep an open mind. Guzman was a bit of a nutcase and got careless often times just to show off, but I truly believe he wouldn't do anything stupid like he did against Agapito Sanchez (walking to him slowly with his arms down, not moving his head.. pretty much giving him free punches because he knew he could take them) if he fought an elite fighter. Unfortunately, since we've never seen Guzman vs. an elite it's hard to favor him over a proven top ATG at 122 like Gomez without looking like a nuthugger.

 

El Terrible would have given him hell. He probally KO's the rest on that list including Barrera, and Pacquiao. Well he probally decisions Pac

 

At 122, are you talking about Guzman or Gomez?

I'll assume you're talking about Guzman, and I'll say that I'd pick him over Pac at 122, I think with the right plan his style would be one to give Pac troubles. Against MAB, that's a harder call based on styles, because he's facing another great counter-puncher, and one who'd be with him every step of the way, unless Guzman decided to fight on the bike, like he did a lot against Soto. That wasn't really his style at 122 though.

I might favor him over Marquez today, because Marquez(although he looked good against Juarez) has not shown the type of movement that he used to, and he showed problems dealing with a guy like John, so I think Guzman's movement and reflexes could cause him problems landing clean. I thought he beat John though, based on aggression, but Guzman has a lot more firepower. When it came down to exchanges, I think Guzman's speed would do him good, but I don't think he'd be coming out un-scathed just because Marquez is so good at countering, kind of like Barrera was.

I give him a better shot against Pacquiao than I do a prime Barrera at 122 and Marquez though. He's probably capable of beating all 3 though, but I wouldn't outright favor him.

BTW, the "never faced anyone close to Guzman's talent" comment was about Olivares/Jofre.[/quote]Jofre fought Fighting Harada twice, one of the best P4P swarmers of all time, and arguably the best Asian fighter ever. He lost both by close decision(only 2 losses of his career out of 80 fights I believe), with many believing he won at least one of them.

 

I wouldn't fancy any 122 fighter to beat gomez, he was just too good, as most suggest though the one i'd fancy most would be morales but would have gomez big favourite

Just throw another name out there though and this would be a long shot, as i can't see anyone outboxing gomez i think to do the job you'd have to some how knock him out, so perhaps hamed, he did fight at this weight quite a bit when younger and think he probably could have made it for his whole career.

Now before i get roundly abused here, i would comfertably pick gomez to box naz ears off, however at 122 to beat gomez i think you need that big equalizer and naz hit unbelivably hard, i would give him a small outside chance of catchin a lucky shot and finishing the fight

 

No way Vasquez could beat Gomez
Pacquiao would have really felt the pain and I don't think pac could withstand that.
I think MAB would fight a war but come up short.
I'd give Morales the best shot out of the guys your saying here just cus he was a monster at that weight. very tall and very crafty in there.