could anyone else have made tyson outside of cus...

Cus sadly died of pneumonia in November 1985, Tyson was trained by Kevin Rooney until he sacked him after the Spinks fight.

 

it would have been interesting to see a Yank Durham trained Tyson.

 

Sorry, I was just making sure you weren't one of those morons that thinks Cus died in 1988.

I believe Eddie Futch would have been great for Tyson too, maybe he would have made him fight like Joe Frazier?

 

cus was not the greatest trainer....because he really could train a guy for only one style....now it could work for plenty of guys...but most guys where not perfect for it. Patterson was pretty good with it..but he didnt really have the chin...jose torress was damn good..but he might have been better as a pure boxer puncher..not trying to bob and weave.....same thing for buster mathis sr...big guy..might have been better leaving all that bobbing and weaving on the ropes to the smaller guys....but for tyson..it was perfect..it matched his natural physical gifts in a way that could almost make one believe in god or fate. Cus was the perfect trainer for tyson...would tyson have been good with someone else..sure...as good..i dont think so...as for rooney..he trained tyson using the same style.

 

Well I dont think Tyson's style is indicative of why he was as good a fighter as he was, his foot-speed to close range, speed, punching power when he got into range, and just general fierce aggression, is what made him so formidable imo.

Take away Tyson's power, your taking away 70% of the fighter imo, of coarse you could say, well you could apply that to other fighters, which is fair, but it is what is imo.

 

After over half a dozen posts, nobody has pointed out that Floyd Patterson himself trained a son who was not biologically his own to a pair of amateur and then a pair of professional championships. It might have worked out if D'Amato could have passed Tyson onto Floyd when he died.

 

ummmm i dont know dude..without the head movment being drilled into tyson is damn good but a 5"11 heavy.....he is getting his head jabbed off....tyson just trained by some shitty YMCA trainer who doesnt drill things ends up losing to guys with good jabs and good enough chins to take the occassional punches that tyson lands. because again..the headmovement often got him into range to land his shots.

 

Patterson actually offered to train Tyson for free, after he had lost to Douglas while under the ridiculously incompetent tutelage of Snowell, but Giachetti was hired instead.

 

Thats the thing, I did'nt think Tyson's head movement was particularly great, see Joe Frazier would move foward when he slipped punches, but Tyson tended to be more stationary when he did it, to me it seemed more his foot-speed that allowed him to get inside, plus, it seemed like his power more often that not made people fight a defensive type of fight, where by they would go straight on the backfoot, now most tall fighters are most effective at utilizing their height from the centre of the ring, putting you on your heels.

I would say Tyson had stationary head-movement to the point where he could counter something, but not the perputal head-movement motion which gets you inside, again, I always felt his foot-speed was his main asset to getting inside.

 

Cus was a delusional moron.

"Fighters don't get KOED they choose to lose the fight!!!!!111111111"

 

Too bad. With the example of his own training ethic and innate understanding of that style, would there really have been anybody better than Floyd to take on rehabilitating Mike's career (and possibly even his life) at that stage?