Could ANYONE Have Outboxed Marciano?

I think Marciano would have been very hard pressed just getting past Holmes jab.
I have Holmes winning this one clearly.

 

I heard that he was outboxed but benefitted from generous scoring. But I defintely think he could be outboxed. Ali would do. Holmes would do it. And although they are better known as big punchers, I see Liston and Louis outboxing him.

 

You have to admit that Charles best days were behind him at that point.Not to mention Walcotts too.

 

Agreed.
I would have loved for them to go at it a few yrs. earlier though.

 

As for Ali Fraizer 1, I belive Marciano has the same shot as Fraizer did. It will be brutal, I think Ali hit harder and had more power in the 70's, because he sat on his shots when Fraizer was comeing in. Marciano would be there banging away though, Head and body of couse. I think Marciano could swarm himself to a victory similer to what Fraizer did, Fraizer had a bit more speed, but I belive Marciano's arkward stance, and angels(Fraizer lack thsos) could confuse Ali for the power to take its toll on Ali.

Not sure on the Ali from the 60's. Terrell was not relly in the class of Ali, Fraizer, or even Marciano. And its always easy to impress vs lower levels of fighters(Ask Roy Jones Jr) I think if George Chovlo could pin Ali on the ropes and give Ali a body beating(Even though Ali may seem like "God", he was peeing blood after the fight)
I like Rocky's chances because he has more power than George. Though Ali would be faster. He was still phone of getting caught on the ropes like Cooper and George has shown.

 

Charles was robbed Vs Johnson. While Walcott was still champion. I belive Marciano would do well vs the Walcott from the Louis fights. Marciano did drag Walcott into a war with both fighters hurt. Dont belive the books in Walcott out pointed Marciano for 13 rounds, before Marciano landed. It was just back and fort action. When Walcott pulling ahead in the rounds that Marciano was blind. Than Marciano takeing over the fight in the 10th round, before Walcott regain the motion in the 11th round when he hurt the Rock with a body shot.

 

Question away. I would not pretend to have all the answers, and I love a good discussion.

He was hurt against Choynski in his prime, if I recall correctly...certainly had problems with him. KO'd by Fitz and brutalized by Sharkey of course, while both were slightly past their best (these still deserve to be taken into account, I think...just not as definitive). Against Sullivan, he opposed a fighter who had very little stamina to spare, and when he blitzed Mitchell he did it early*. Kilrain was only a 6 round fight. I will admit that the Jackson fight is a very good one to bring up, though.

I'd say that even with the stamina of the Jackson fight, he was still fighting at a comparatively low pace when you look at Marciano. Nobody has that sort of demonic energy, especially if they're about the same size as the Rock, aren't a hard puncher, don't have an exceptional chin, don't prefer inside fighting anyway, and have a style that would tend to get them tied up.

* Interesting sidenote: Corbett used strongman Louis Attila for his expertise in weightlifting as a "personal trainer" for the Mitchell fight. He claimed that the training had given him a stiffer punch than usual, and judging from Mitchell getting flattened I'd have to agree.

 

I not sure Ali could do it, George a fighter with Marciano's similer style gave Ali a good scrap. I just belive Marciano would do better is all.

 

Perhaps a guy with a style like Terrell or Lewis (sans power) may be able to pull it off. Boring, tall, jabbing fighter who can tie Rocky up on the inside. He'd need a great chin and stamina, however.

 

exactly, things change in wars of attrition...

 

Mikkel Kessler would outbox Marciano -fullstop-