Could anyone out slug young Foreman?

TLDR: “Big” James >

 

You’ve pointed that out for me, I’ve probably done that but really you do see that a lot. Smart cookie you are eh?

 

You should referee debates or something CT -something tells me you’ve got an above average interest in politics lol.

 

"Joe Frazier threw the hook wrong" is quite the bold statement you're going to have to defend.

 

Not being snarky I’ve already explained it in the initial post GCC - I can break it down for you on a technical level if you pin point stuff you’d like to know?

 

I agree with everything said. Foreman's ability to time Frazier and land absolute bombs was surreal. Frazier was a good defensive fighter for a come forward guy. Foreman knocked that clean out the window. Little wonder Holyfield spoke about his timing.

Your two points could not be more accurate. The victory gets minimized mostly thru some people (especially modernists it seems) thinking Frazier can't fight bangers, and thru the personal need to snatch credit away.

Top post.

 

Yes. At least one person. Suffice to say, I find that inexplicable.

 

Interesting.

First, the underrating of Foreman’s chin and now the underrating of Frazier’s left hook.

There are clear correlations and trends afoot.

Very few took too many Frazier hooks before crumbling.

Frazier also threw many single hooks that yielded terrific damage in their own right.

So Foreman’s chin was levels below that of Ali’s but Frazier’s not so powerful left hook had Ali rock’n’ and reelin’ time and again, including a single, ATG left hook that saw Ali flat on his back.

A single Frazier left hook also froze big, iron chinned Bugner on his feet, just before he fell from that very same left hook. Fortunately for Bugner, Joe humanely held off from following up when Bugner was free to be hit - otherwise, it would’ve been all over, red rover right then and there.

I said Foreman didn’t blink when Frazier caught him with several left hooks over both fights 1 and 2. George took them far more impressively than most other fighters would have.

Lyle could crack, no question. However, Ron didn’t always fight with fully bad intentions. Rather, he tried to more often box more than slug.

Notably, vs Shavers and Foreman, both elite punchers. Lyle was put upon with little choice but to unload his best in open warfare.

You can see that the shots he hit Foreman with were huge - and he obviously took a leaf out of Ali’s Zaire playbook with his pointed launching of lead/counter rights - but laden with that much more power.

For his part, Foreman was rusty and sloppy as all hell, - meeting Ron halfway for Lyle’s
successes during that fight, Foreman taking Lyle’s best shots flush on the chin.

Calling in the Young KD carries absolutely no meat, notably omitting due qualifications.

Foreman basically fell from exhaustion.

Before the KD, Foreman could barely hold his feet even when he wasn’t being hit.

He was already on Bambi legs due to a near empty tank.

Thereafter, we entered Foreman’s later age comeback - when NO ONE could drop him, despite him taking some obviously big and flush shots - his improved pacing/meter clearly offsetting the stamina issues that took from his whole fight game in his first career.

“Blowing up”? Lol, not from this end. Stop with the false/deflective narratives already. Just providing the facts ma’am.

So, at last count, 15 months out of the ring is hardly any time out at all - just a small blip in time, ring rust isn’t real, “hard” sparring fully substitutes for actual pro fights - (and no evidence that Foreman even did spar “hard”prior to the Lyle fight), Foreman had a questionable chin and Joe Frazier’s left hook wasn’t all that.

I may have missed some other curious “claims”, but that’s enough to be getting on with to identify the “trend” I referenced at the start of this post.

 

I was just looking at a video of Fraziers left hook. On a secondary note how good is haNZAgod's stuff?

Did you know Frazier has 20 stoppages inside 5 rounds? 62.5% of his career wins came inside 5 rounds.

14 of these came inside 3 rounds which means over 43% of his wins were inside 3 rounds. That's awfully impressive. I've always believed his reputation as being a slow starter was somewhat overstated. You don't turn early round stats like that unless you can put some things together early, and obviously you need to be able to punch hard! I think part of the reasoning (slow starter) is that Frazier kept up his pace (or maybe even accelerated a bit) all night, while opponents withered.

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Yeah couldn’t care less about your giant wall of borderline mumbo jumbo. Frazier did not throw a left hook properly and that’s a fact. I’d invite you to try and explain otherwise but ya couldn’t ya “blew up” about it - Amuse me and try Pug?

 

Blowing up again JM, so high strung and still trying to project your own disposition onto others?

Cold facts are a real killer, aren’t they?

When they don’t suit and cannot be refuted, they automatically and conveniently become a wall of “mumbo jumbo”. Shameless deflection.

After completely ignoring the numerous facts I just put to you….you “invite” me…..? Good one.

Frazier’s left hook was “proper” enough to yield all the damage that it did.

The left hook that floored Ali was the poster shot for a left hook.

I’ve not read anyone write that Frazier’s signature punch was his “improper” left hook.

So, if “you”. don’t think Joe threw it “properly”….what exactly is your end point to that “observation”?

Yes, please do “amuse” me by actually remaining on point and not getting so strung out as you so often do.

 

Phew! I’m glad you provided those stats JT. I was almost coming around to the idea that Frazier had no punch while thinking, how did I get that so wrong for all these years?

haNZAgod is among my favourite uploaders. There’s some real talent and great artistc eyes out there for putting together fantastic compilations. Many also have a good ear/sense for appropriate background music.

 

He can punch alright. His hook was often labeled "powerful", "lethal", "ferocious". It's the most famous left hook in history, and rightly so. There were some that could throw it harder as a single punch but Frazier's hook was whipped thru hard every time he threw it. all that concussive power virtually every time it was coming.

He's such a great uploader. He posted in here just days ago. Totally agree nothing makes a highlights clip more potent than perfectly chosen music. Rez who used to post here was very good in his musical choices too.

 

More Mumbai jumbo… So you can’t tell me why his hook was thrown properly or improperly? That’s what I’m reading here with the reason being Pug YDKSAB and couldn’t break it down if you wanted lol nice try doe, stick to your magazines.

 

Yeah nah it wasn’t thrown properly lol it was hard doe make no mistake but a tool of attrition. it’s in writing, it’s in reality, it’s on film to see but you just don’t know s*** about boxing Frazier threw his hook improperly that’s a fact.