Could anyone out slug young Foreman?

I didn’t say all three did, I said all three would tell you the same thing… a hook thrown properly is when you transfer the weight from the lead foot to the rear foot (that’s simple terms) - two did, not three “to keep it real” lol but essentially yes, it’s not rocket science to throw a left hook.

 

I highly doubt all of them will agree to this but it's hardly my concern.

You are right, it's not rocket science to throw a left hook yet some still don't seem to know how. Some also don't know what they are looking at when it's right there in front of them. More of that when i get my post compiled.

 

There is literally one way to throw a proper hook… you transfer the weight from the left foot to the right foot in orthodox. WELL Mr JT the spotlight is all yours to reinvent fundamental boxing, I eagerly await the release of “Left Hook 2.0” lol.

 

There's more than one way actually, but more of that later. Your mentor also described the Frazier "hook" as a "bent armed jab", would that be correct?

 

Oh sure there is more than one way to throw a hook, I’ve even said that, there’s just only one way to throw a proper hook.

 

And it's sure not yours.

 

Bud it’s really simple a proper hook is where your weight goes from your lead foot to your rear foot… your arm can be at whatever angle (depending on your desired target / length of the hook you want to throw) but it all (proper punching) works off a basic principle… hips turn the shoulders weight goes from one foot to another… the right hand is just your weight moving back to front and you close your stance by throwing the hook (weight goes front to back now) if you’re going to argue that someone who threw there hook off there lead leg was “proper” you’re just wrong JT plain and simple it is what it is and nothing else.

 

“From the proper stance…turn your body to the right, shifting your weight to the right leg, throw the left arm in an arc to the opponent's head. Make sure to hit through the mark and not at it.“ - Joe Louis

@JohnThomas1 when you release Hook 2.0 can I get a partial credit? I did inspire you to invent it.

 

Could you scream out your insecurities any louder than you already have?

Wow. You copied and pasted Joe Louis’ advice re throwing a left hook which of course makes you a true, boxing aficionado.

Psssst….letting you in on a “secret” that I didn’t need to randomly advertise otherwise..….I have Joe Louis book How To Box and am fully aware of what Joe had to say re the left hook and other assorted punches.

I also have a set of vids in which that very advice is practically applied by an am/pro on the heavy bag - which I’ve replicated on my on heavy bag. Woo hoo, look at me, look at me…..

Can you now describe the execution of the Anchor Punch, step by step? - it would be just as relevant to the discussion at hand.

So the thread you linked me tells Joe didn’t “hook”, rather, he threw a “bent jab”.

Damn, so you mean Ali was dropped by a jab - who would’ve thunk it?

Another acute observation suggested that Joe’s “flawed” execution meant that he didn’t maximise the concussive effect.

Proof?: Well, how else was Ali able to take so many of those hooks?

Are we talking the same Ali, you know, the guy with the ATG chin who was able to take all manner of power shots from a variety of opponents - right up to and including Earnie Shavers, no less?

Hmmm….one needs to ponder on that “theory”and the “evidence” in support….…but wait, hold the phone, wasn’t Joe Frazier the only fighter to have ever dropped a fully matured Ali….not to mention seriously rocking him countless other times over their 3 fight series?

So again, why did you even bring up your opinion re the technical aspects of Frazier’s left hook?

Just a random, insecure flag wave that you have no idea about it anyway.

However you slice it, for the intents and purposes of the discussion - it worked for Frazier.…and that’s an understatement.

Tell us more about what you don’t know…then again, don’t….I’m good.

 

This really is more pedantic Mumbo jumbo…

1. Yep Louis said it, Hasilet, Langford etc etc etc all in books, interviews and on film… it’s not a guarded secret who said it was? Makes it even more bizarre someone would challenge the basics like this?

Also… I’m not the one saying Frazier threw a “proper hook” here he didn’t shift the weight, the discussion ends there, anyone who understands punching mechanics at the entry level can grasp this.

2. “Bent Arm Jab” etc talk to @Pat M he said it not me, I won’t speak on his behalf when he’s on this very forum also why be rude to him? Is it because he agrees with me on basic boxing fundamentals? Coaches will do that.

3. I brought up Fraziers hook because I felt like it, go read how we got here yourself I don’t really care if you can’t keep up, I’m happy chilling, waiting on the release of Hook 2.0. reinventing bedrock fundamentals in a sport doesn’t happen everyday.

BTW I know you’re upset because you dropped your fake “I’m an eccentric weirdo” routine a minute ago, so now I’m gonna stop wasting calories on you because you’re annoying.

 

You linked the thread in support of yourself.

You explain it instead of trying to use everyone else to crutch you.

I wasn’t rude to anyone, but you clearly hoped for same via your lame, diversionary tactic - clearly unable to stand on your own two feet.

You brought it up randomly because you had nothing of actual substance to offer otherwise. That’s how it “got there”.

I dropped my “I’m an eccentric weirdo act”?

My my, you do have some multiple issues going on in the background.

I’ve kept up and I’m well ahead of you. You should’ve waved the white flag well before now.

You’ve been extremely rude to a few posters, including myself - you shouldn’t be crying poor - it only serves to worsen your position - which was already in tatters anyway.

I’m not upset at all. You are, and very much so. You know this. Stop projecting.

So you’re “out” in respect of exchanging with me. Too easy.

 

I wouldn't bet on anyone.

 

You've been speaking on behalf of Pat M all day long.

Frazier had a more powerful jab than Holmes, heck, maybe even Liston and Foreman, who knew.

 

Honestly JT whatever magnum opus you write the hours, minutes or seconds (whatever) you put into saying you don’t need to shift your weight in boxing will be a waste of your life. You’re arguing for the sake of it, going against bedrock boxing fundamentals. To be clear no matter how you word it throwing a left hook off your lead foot and not shifting your weight to the rear foot is “improper” “not fundamental” or “WRONG” there is a right “optimal” way of doing things in boxing that’s a fact and there isn’t anything you can do to change that.

 

Oh Pug, stop with this Hyderabad analysis, will ya?

I'll fetch my coat....