Could anyone out slug young Foreman?

Read it yourself it’s not a hard thing to get JT yes I’ve been snarky but now you’re being a fool, you’d be “educating” a lot of very smart people if you think the way Frazier threw it was “right” the “right way” is when your weights transferred from the lead foot to the rear foot during this your hips should be turning the shoulders or some may hear instead in the gym “hands not getting in front of your hips” Frazier threw the hook off the front foot, you can see it, he says it in his book too… @Pat M @Saintpat and @greynotsoold are much more mature then me but they’ll tell you the same thing with no bias (he threw it wrong but it worked for him) when you do that (throw it off the lead leg) the pivotal point of the punch becomes your lead leg and you cannot shift your weight to your rear leg that way… meaning the punches force is “at” not “through” because you’re not “pulling” the weight back to your rear leg when throwing a hook like that (it’s as simple as it is) it castrates your right hand because it ruins the transfer of weight and that’s important for a multitude of reasons… it is not “proper” as there is no shift thus not fundamental thus “wrong” get over it I happen to be a rude gadfly that knows at the least this much more then you so suck an egg you rude fellow YDKSAB.

 

I see you edited your post. In the original post you claimed, you never stated Holmes would beat Foreman in a firefight but you wouldn't count him out.

Regardless, thanks for this. "Again, and for clarity, you disagree, and make some good points to support your argument." Wish I could say the same to you, but you haven't brought up a single valid argument Holmes has in his favor, should this go to a slugfest. In your defense, there isn't a single valid argument you could make for Holmes here. Which is why I think you're either a fanboy, or trolling. This opinion is so outrageous, I can't see how anyone can possibly say it with a straight face. Holmes himself doesn't believe such a thing.

"“Foreman could punch through a wall. I wouldn’t brawl with him—you’ve got to be smart with George.”

“I ain’t knocking Mike Tyson, but no.. George Forman would win in two seconds, he hit too hard.

Anybody come at George Foreman you got to box like I did, or Ali did, you can’t stay there and take those punches. They take your head off. Bam, bam, it’s like the kitchen sink he’s hitting you with.”

https://www.secondsout.com/news/holmes-predicts-mike-tyson-george-foreman/

Considering how full of himself this guy is, and how he legitimately thinks he's the greatest of all time, this speaks volumes.

https://www.secondsout.com/news/holmes-predicts-mike-tyson-george-foreman/

 

Ok, so. I've plucked the technical parts of your post that capture what you are claiming and why you believe Joe Frazier, greatest hooker ever, threw his left hook incorrectly. I'll try and get a reply up in the next 24hrs. Let me know if i have misrepresented you below. It seems pretty cut and dried. Just to keep it real only one supposed trainer signed off on this, not all three.

So the “right way” is when your weights transferred from the lead foot to the rear foot during this your hips should be turning the shoulders or some may hear instead in the gym “hands not getting in front of your hips” Frazier threw the hook off the front foot, you can see it, he says it in his book too…

meaning the punches force is “at” not “through” because you’re not “pulling” the weight back to your rear leg when throwing a hook like that (it’s as simple as it is) it castrates your right hand and ruins the transfer of weight and that’s important for a multitude of reasons… it is not “proper” as there is no shift thus not fundamental thus “wrong” get over it

 

There this clown goes AGAIN tagging people in when the kitchen gets to hot.

 

I only edited the post because due to the way this forum works on my phone certainly, it included a reply I'd started writing. What is reproduced are exactly my feelings and if you feel the need, you can trawl back through everything I've written on this subject and you will see I have been consistent in my opinion. For clarity...if it HAD to be a firefight, a slugfest, I think Holmes would beat Foreman. And if you think I haven't offered a single valid argument, we'll, that's on you brother. I've offered many reasons why I believe this over several different threads. That YOU don't accept them as valid is neither here nor there because you are not the ultimate arbiter of validity. You are also only offering opinions. And at the end of the day, that's all we got, ain't it? We will never agree on this matter man, and why should we? This will be the last time I reply specifically to one of your posts as I will admit, I find your style of posting diminishes and belittles your argument. You come across as combatative, arrogant and condescending, an easy option but for me, a lazy and limiting form of conversation. Take care man, it's been somewhat of a blast, peace and love, Px

 

I didn’t say all three did, I said all three would tell you the same thing… a hook thrown properly is when you transfer the weight from the lead foot to the rear foot (that’s simple terms) - two did, not three “to keep it real” lol but essentially yes, it’s not rocket science to throw a left hook.

 

I highly doubt all of them will agree to this but it's hardly my concern.

You are right, it's not rocket science to throw a left hook yet some still don't seem to know how. Some also don't know what they are looking at when it's right there in front of them. More of that when i get my post compiled.

 

There is literally one way to throw a proper hook… you transfer the weight from the left foot to the right foot in orthodox. WELL Mr JT the spotlight is all yours to reinvent fundamental boxing, I eagerly await the release of “Left Hook 2.0” lol.

 

There's more than one way actually, but more of that later. Your mentor also described the Frazier "hook" as a "bent armed jab", would that be correct?

 

Oh sure there is more than one way to throw a hook, I’ve even said that, there’s just only one way to throw a proper hook.

 

And it's sure not yours.

 

Bud it’s really simple a proper hook is where your weight goes from your lead foot to your rear foot… your arm can be at whatever angle (depending on your desired target / length of the hook you want to throw) but it all (proper punching) works off a basic principle… hips turn the shoulders weight goes from one foot to another… the right hand is just your weight moving back to front and you close your stance by throwing the hook (weight goes front to back now) if you’re going to argue that someone who threw there hook off there lead leg was “proper” you’re just wrong JT plain and simple it is what it is and nothing else.

 

“From the proper stance…turn your body to the right, shifting your weight to the right leg, throw the left arm in an arc to the opponent's head. Make sure to hit through the mark and not at it.“ - Joe Louis

@JohnThomas1 when you release Hook 2.0 can I get a partial credit? I did inspire you to invent it.

 

Could you scream out your insecurities any louder than you already have?

Wow. You copied and pasted Joe Louis’ advice re throwing a left hook which of course makes you a true, boxing aficionado.

Psssst….letting you in on a “secret” that I didn’t need to randomly advertise otherwise..….I have Joe Louis book How To Box and am fully aware of what Joe had to say re the left hook and other assorted punches.

I also have a set of vids in which that very advice is practically applied by an am/pro on the heavy bag - which I’ve replicated on my on heavy bag. Woo hoo, look at me, look at me…..

Can you now describe the execution of the Anchor Punch, step by step? - it would be just as relevant to the discussion at hand.

So the thread you linked me tells Joe didn’t “hook”, rather, he threw a “bent jab”.

Damn, so you mean Ali was dropped by a jab - who would’ve thunk it?

Another acute observation suggested that Joe’s “flawed” execution meant that he didn’t maximise the concussive effect.

Proof?: Well, how else was Ali able to take so many of those hooks?

Are we talking the same Ali, you know, the guy with the ATG chin who was able to take all manner of power shots from a variety of opponents - right up to and including Earnie Shavers, no less?

Hmmm….one needs to ponder on that “theory”and the “evidence” in support….…but wait, hold the phone, wasn’t Joe Frazier the only fighter to have ever dropped a fully matured Ali….not to mention seriously rocking him countless other times over their 3 fight series?

So again, why did you even bring up your opinion re the technical aspects of Frazier’s left hook?

Just a random, insecure flag wave that you have no idea about it anyway.

However you slice it, for the intents and purposes of the discussion - it worked for Frazier.…and that’s an understatement.

Tell us more about what you don’t know…then again, don’t….I’m good.

 

This really is more pedantic Mumbo jumbo…

1. Yep Louis said it, Hasilet, Langford etc etc etc all in books, interviews and on film… it’s not a guarded secret who said it was? Makes it even more bizarre someone would challenge the basics like this?

Also… I’m not the one saying Frazier threw a “proper hook” here he didn’t shift the weight, the discussion ends there, anyone who understands punching mechanics at the entry level can grasp this.

2. “Bent Arm Jab” etc talk to @Pat M he said it not me, I won’t speak on his behalf when he’s on this very forum also why be rude to him? Is it because he agrees with me on basic boxing fundamentals? Coaches will do that.

3. I brought up Fraziers hook because I felt like it, go read how we got here yourself I don’t really care if you can’t keep up, I’m happy chilling, waiting on the release of Hook 2.0. reinventing bedrock fundamentals in a sport doesn’t happen everyday.

BTW I know you’re upset because you dropped your fake “I’m an eccentric weirdo” routine a minute ago, so now I’m gonna stop wasting calories on you because you’re annoying.