Could anyone out slug young Foreman?

I don't know if it is urban myth, but at least one Ali biography I've read, maybe Hauser's, suggested Ali was urinating blood for a while after the fight. I'd say even if that isn't true, Big George hitting the body in a crude, uneducated manner would still hurt plenty....

 

This is probably your third strawman. Were you always this disingenuous?

When did I penalize Lewis for storming out his corner from the opening bell to dispatch Golota and Grant? It was the right game plan and it was smart, he hardly took any punishment.

No one on God's green Earth would call either of those fights "slug fests", they were executions. A slugfest only has one meaning: 2 guys standing at ring center exchanging power punches with little regard for defense, pacing, or scoring points.

 

Well this is embarrassing. The gent whose words who you have based your whole argument on has now said Frazier did throw the hook correctly and you now go against him? You've been jamming the whole is a boxing trainer thing down everyone's throat but now that trainer has clarified his stance you disregard him? Not to mention rough giving his expert opinion that's now irrelevant to you lol. I've seen Rough slugging it out and it even impressed Morlocks at a time he was goading him. Not only does he know his stuff he can strut it very impressively in the ring too. It's good that you can enlighten him with your wisdom.

You can't make this stuff up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jesus

 

Deja Vú. Vietnam flashbacks.

I seem to recall Journeyman arguing with me until he was blue in the face that Foreman wasn't an arm puncher. I then tagged one of his favorite trainers Greynotsoold into the discussion, and he flat out stated he believes Foreman was an arm puncher.

It was one of the most embarrassing moments I've ever witnessed on a forum of any kind, yet here he has managed to outdo himself with this left hook argument.

You know how gen z uses the word "carry", such as when they say LeBron carried his team in the finals? What's a good antonym for carry? "Dropping"? Because whatever that is, it's what he's been doing for 21 pages.

He wouldn't win an MVP, he'd win the MSP (Most Shameful Poster).

 

Yeah, it was just as implausible the first time you said it. You think Foreman would win a slugfest against other punchers based on him beating guys like Frazier...and now Chuvalo and LeDoux. None of whom had the power to hurt him. As far as Chuvalo and LeDoux go, I've already said elsewhere that Foreman was great at mulching the Marvin Harts of the world. We're talking about a narrow range of punchers his own size and bigger here.

Reread what I wrote. I said it wasn't unique to win a close slugfest against another puncher.

Somehow you must have morphed this in your head to getting up to win after a gruelling slugfest, etc. Etc.

And just like every other time you moved the goalposts in this thread, you've...added conditions.

"Show me a heavyweight who meets all of my exact requirements, or I win!"

Try reading my posts. No, seriously. Go back and read them before you start hopping up and down shrieking about how dishonest I am. I addressed this pages ago.

And to your specific example, it's ridiculous. Maybe Ibeabuchi should've let Tua knock him down once in their slugfest? I guess that would have meant he was better, by your reasoning.

Yeah, Frazier generally stopped his cruiserweight opponents by attrition. Something you seem to recognize with Vitali, who had a higher KO ratio than Frazier.

Frazier doesn't hit on the level of many of the guys who are being proposed in this thread to beat Foreman.

Aaaand good grief. There it is. I was hoping not to see this come out of you, @Glass City Cobra, but I guess I should've expected disappointment.

It's not about exchanging views about a boxer on a discussion forum for you anymore, is it?

It's about defending Foreman from the critics who dishonestly try to rob him of his rightful position as "King of sluggers." Whatever that is. You've even capitalized it!

My gosh.

What is it about disagreeing over the 70s that drives people to these insecure, angry accusations? Is it just that people who can't handle disagreement gravitate toward this forum? I don't know. It's bizarre. Don't you have a day job that stresses you out enough without getting furious over someone denying that Foreman is "King of the sluggers"?

 

Can anyone slug it out on a boxing forum with young Rough?

I think I have a fairly impressive slugging percentage here but all my wins are internet decisions (I think some of the early ones might have been newspaper decisions when those were still viable enterprises) and frankly I’ve done a lot of cherry-picking in choosing opponents.

 

I've grown a bigger over the years as I've gotten to 'man' size. But @Johnny_B would still spark me to the stratosphere, as he would've done to Marciano.

 

Don’t leave. I like it. That was a KENYA!

 

Hm...Just trying to get a gauge on your level, here...You'd beat Jack Sharkey, but would probably still lose to the overweight, old featherweight Johnny B defeated in an official, unsanctioned sparring match. Am I about right?

 

Lose? I would duck him shamelessly.

 

No shame in that. We aren't all born with Johnny B's boxing gifts.

 

I’m not sure about on a boxing forum but he sure went well in the ring. The guy can hammer. Footage definitely puts him above Harry Greb.

 

I so remember all that......i guess how could i forget LOL. I've seen a lot of good posts from Grey on the technical side. He knows his stuff and he's flexible. I remember a lot of people bagging some film of a guy that came up one time. He basically said when you see a guy that doesn't look very good but is beating top shelf opponents you need to look at why because he's obviously got something good going on. It was a great point.

MSP LOLOLOL

 

That awkward moment when the actual trainer, you've been running to for validation, disagrees with you.

 

I’d rate Chuvalo much closer to a James J Jeffries than a Marvin Hart.

Reasonably described as an iron chinned, rough, tough, never KD’d slugger who didn’t always defer to the MOQ rules - putting it lightly, lol.

He came to slug with a very young, 21 yo Foreman but even before the first round was out, Foreman has already taken a good measure of the play away from him.

Never seen Chuvalo so quickly dissuaded or smarting so much from virtually each and every punch landed by his opponent.

Best copy of the fight I’ve come across to date.

One of my favourite rewatches: -

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