Could Calzaghe have beaten the Ruiz that Jones beat?

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  1. MSTR

    MSTR More Speed Than Roy!!!!! Full Member

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    No way in hell. He doesn't possess the defensive skills that jones has. Jones pot shotting was a key in this fight. Calzaghe's speed lies in his combinations, which woudl requrie him to trade with the bigger, stronger fighter.
     
  2. MSTR

    MSTR More Speed Than Roy!!!!! Full Member

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    There is an obvious difference avoiding Ruiz who is far bigger, then a smaller Jake La Motta. Not to mention that la Motta was very flat footed most times.
     
  3. McGrain

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    LaMotta would apply far, far, far more pressure in 12 rounds than Ruiz could in 30 to a fighter commited to a retreating fight.
     
  4. MSTR

    MSTR More Speed Than Roy!!!!! Full Member

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    Good posts here. Agree with your analysis.
     
  5. China_hand_Joe

    China_hand_Joe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Calzaghe probably stands a chance against Ruiz even with a broken left hand.

    He could simply use his world class jab, totally outspeed ruiz and shut him out on the cards. A stoppage would be unrealistic though.

    Every time Ruiz went for a technical clinch, slap, slap, slap.

    Ruiz is also slow, Calzaghe has excellent evasion at SMW, at HW he would be unhittable.

    119-109 on the cards, one pity round scored for Ruiz where he gets less outclassed.
     
  6. McGrain

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    In The Lord of the Rings the closer Frodo gets to Mount Doom the heavier the ring gets.

    The closer we get to Calzaghe-Kessler the more insane you become.
     
  7. J_Roth

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    I think the extra weight would play havoc on Joe's speed advantage. Still a Ud for Joe.
     
  8. Lance_Uppercut

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    No way would Joe C beat Ruiz. Way too small to begin with. Not elusive enough. Jones won because he was able to strike and get out of danger fast. Joe C doesn't fight at all that way. Hell, Byron Mitchell dropped his ass. Ruiz knocks him out, possibly cold in under 6.

    Some of you Calzaghe nuthuggers are too ****in delusional...
     
  9. China_hand_Joe

    China_hand_Joe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ruiz couldn't KO Jones, what chance has he got against the iron chinned Calzaghe?
     
  10. McGrain

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    If Calzaghe doesn't suddenly get stuped he should be able to avoid the KO.
     
  11. Lance_Uppercut

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    Calzaghe's not as hard to hit as Jones Jr. is. Nor is he the mover Jones is.

    And Joe's only iron chinned vs. 168ers....
     
  12. Lance_Uppercut

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    He could if he decided to run the entire fight. But that's not Joe's style. He gets cornered, then coldcocked by Ruiz sad to say.

    There's a reason so few LtHW's, let alone CW's have any success at HW.
     
  13. Zakman

    Zakman ESB's Chinchecker Full Member

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    Jeez, it's not like Ruiz has a particularly great track record against fighters moving up from lower weight classes! :lol:

    Calzaghe superior boxing ability should be enough for him to win this fight. Ruiz was as limited as they come. Without Don King, he would never have even sniffed a HW belt.
     
  14. Lance_Uppercut

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    It's not just a matter of skill. Joe's not defesive like Jones or Toney were. They were able to avoid any real clean punches. And if Byron Mitchell can drop Joe, what makes you think Ruiz couldn't?

    BTW, doesn't that make Joe China chinned Zak? Being dropped by a past prime Byron Mitchell? :hey
     
  15. China_hand_Joe

    China_hand_Joe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    For all you know Calzaghe might be more comfortable moving up in weight. He might be a natural LHW. Imagine how good that makes him, when you consider there is a possibility, being weight drained at 168 means he is like 20% better than we think.