Could Calzaghe have beaten the Ruiz that Jones beat?

Calzahge IS a natural light-heavyweight, he's said this himself many occasions. Yeah I think he could beat Ruiz.

 

I was going to ask you this question but this thread was started.

 

Calzahge would get stopped by Ruiz. Hes not a big enough puncher to hold Ruiz off, and he doesnt even come close to having the speed of Jones or the slickness of Toney, plus Toney has always been a bigger guy fighting in a middleweight body. Joe tends to slap his punches, so Ruiz would be too strong for him.

 

No, not really. For someone who thinks they are some intellect on the board, you should use some of that. Either that or you are yet to see Toney v. Ruiz. Toney used his defense while in the pocket to avoid anything flush. Are you suggesting Joe would do the same? I thought you were a fan of his? You really should watch Joe fight sometime.

Absolutley, and Byron Mitchell is NOT as heavy a hitter at Ruiz.

See my top post.

You overrate your hero, and your examples leads me to believe you don't realy watch much boxing.

Stay away from boxrec child....:roll:

 

There are several fighters that could have beat Ruiz. The guy lost to 2 former middleweights for christ sake! I have no doubt a bulked up Calzaghe would have beat Ruiz. Why do you think Roy Jones handpicked Ruiz? That should tell you something right there when Glass Jaw Roy Jones handpicks you for a fight.

 

Two great former middleweights. Can you imagine the joe Calzahge that fought Charles Brewer fighting Ruiz?? He would get killed. Calzahge still has a ways to go until we annoit him a giant killer.

 

A bulked up Calzaghe would have a heavyweight chin, you are dreaming if you think Ruiz will catch up to and KO him.

I can't stand you delusional Americans who think their fighters can beat any European, despite obvious handicaps such as speed and skill. It is just as well there are a few level headed fans like myself about to set you straight.

The only question mark is about Calzaghe's hands holding up taking into account the vicious power he would possess once bulked up.

 

He can change his plan, but again, against fighters his size that don't pose the type of KO threat that a HW does. HW's produce more KO threat than the most vicious LHW hitter.

 

The only delusional fan is you, especially thinking his power be so vicious if he went up to heavy. The reason you're so delusional is because you havent seen Joe face anyone except a one dimensional guy with one punch in his aresenal in Lacy. Besides that his resume is built on has beens and non greats. If you dont think Ruiz lying on Calzahge would tire him out your crazy, and he would have to deal with that. Joe isnt even close to the speed and slickness of Toney or Jones. Jones beat him with his speed and Toney outslicked him. Calzhage needs to fight some real fighters at 68 before we can even guess what he would do at heavy.
Im not hating, I like Calzahge and I think hes a good fighter, but comparing him to anything remotely close to Toney and Jones is just laughable at this point, he hasnt fought anyone yet. Blame it on Warren he had plenty of chances.

 

Calzaghe will be remembered long after that innate loser of a boxer, the resumeless James Toney has retired.

If Toney had fought Calzaghe around 2000, Toney would just be another Byron Mitchell.

Never before has man so easy to outbox recieved so much credit.

 

Now I know your delusional. Take a look at Toneys resume and then look at Calzahges list of no namers and has beens. By far Joe's biggest fight was against an unproven one dimensional fighter in Lacy, you cant be that blind? Whose easy to outbox, Toney? Put the crack pipe down buddy.

 

Toney....resumeless?

Having McCallum and Nunn on his resume alone trumps anything Calzaghe has done.

 

Not with Kessler added in.

 

Kessler doesn't mean as much as a Nunn type of fighter?

 

If that version of Nunn could do it, Calzaghe would embarrass him. Toney would have been 50/50 with the likes of Eubank and the great David Starie, whereas Calzaghe tended to shut them out. How old was McCallum anyway?

I kind of felt sad for Toney vs Roy Jones. Being exposes as the hack he was, along with the entire American boxing media, who claimed his brilliance on the basis of beating other America fighters.

He was a moderately sucessful cruiserweight, nothing more.

Resume wise:

Jones
Calzaghe
Griffin
Toney

Toney simply is a never was.