Could Chuvalo Do As Well V Jeffries As Sharkey

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  1. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Could a prime George Chuvalo give Jim Jeffries as good a fight, and go as close as Tom Sharkey did in their second fight?
    Same conditions same gloves.
     
  2. cross_trainer

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    So Jeffries's arm is injured here?
     
  3. mcvey

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    Yes, and Chuvalo has a broken finger ok now?
     
  4. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    Then Chuvalo wins.

    You're asking a styles question here. All of the advantages that late 19th century boxing had over the modern style evaporate when you eliminate the left hand.
     
  5. cross_trainer

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    ...Unless your "same conditions" involve breaking Chuvalo's ribs partway through the fight. You know, for accuracy's sake.
     
  6. mcvey

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    Jeffries said that Sharkey gave him the most difficult problem to solve because he was fast into range and all over you. On the face of it one might say Chuvalo would do better than Sharkey because he was significantly bigger, and probably more durable , but,Chuvalo was slower and I should think more measured than Sharkey in his attack.Plus Sharkey had the edge in power imo . Chuvalo would give Jeffries more time to set himself and get off and, being nearer Jeffries height probably would mean he would be easier for Jeffries to tag to the head .Contrary to what your psychic radar may tell you about my non existant agenda I don't think Chuvalo does as well as Tom.
    I see a clear win for Jeffries .
    Now I must thank you for so obligingly swimming into my keep net and release you for another day.
     
  7. mattdonnellon

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    In truth, Chuvalo was nothing like Tom at all, Sharkey was lightning fast in his grollia raids and unceassingly agressive with nothing like Georges punch resistance, Chuvalo was nearer Jeff than Tom. To answer the question, Jeffries out Chuvalos Chuvalo for an tough but clear victory.
     
  8. mcvey

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    That mirrors my thoughts Matt.
     
  9. cross_trainer

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    How is Jeffries going to cope with a modern jab and combination punching now that he can't control distance with his long hook and lead left? He has minimal head movement, lacks a modern guard, and can't use his left to defend himself.

    That's fine against Sharkey, who's not going to stand and throw combinations. Chuvalo's a different critter altogether.

    I'm impressed -- you're telling me what I believe about what you believe. It's like what you think I do, except with an extra level of complication. :yep

    Cheers.
     
  10. janitor

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    Chuvalo wasn't particularly like Jeffries either.

    He was like the caricature of Jeffries that crystallised in the popular consciousness, after the people who saw Jeffries fight died off.
     
  11. mcvey

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    J, have you read the account of the second Jeffries/ Fizsimmons fight ?
     
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    Yes, and it is not what many people think it is.
     
  13. mcvey

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    What would that be?
     
  14. janitor

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    The main surprise when you look into it is Fitzsimmons. He really throws a curve ball, and fights an entirely defensive fight, prompting some observers to say that he “fought more like Corbett”. Jeffries is then presumably forced to improvise, and chase Fitzsimmons down. With Fitzsimmons fighting on the retreat, Jeffries has no option but to stick to his body attack, on the assumption that it will eventually pay off, which it does. It is a great and unexpected performance by Fitzsimmons, and in some ways a great performance by Jeffries.
     
  15. mcvey

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    I suppose it boils down to seeing what you want to see.

    All the so called improvement in Jeffries defence
    was significantly lackng in ths fight

    .Fitz could not miss him.
    He broke his nose ,opened cuts above,and below both eyes.

    In short a 40 years old super middle weight punched the **** out of Jeffries until his hands went on him.