Could Cotto do a Corrales?

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  1. Nigel_Benn

    Nigel_Benn Well-Known Member Full Member

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    After Corrales got destroyed by Mayweather he was seen as damaged goods and his fights after that people called him a shot,chinless fighter then Joe Goosen restored Corrales career and he had IMO The best fight of the last decade against Castilio could Cotto with a new trainer get back to were he was Pre-Margarito?
     
  2. dbouziane

    dbouziane ............. Full Member

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    at only 29, he physically can still be in top form for any fight. its the mental side of things that will be telling.
     
  3. BlueApollo

    BlueApollo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I seriously doubt Cotto will ever be the same fighter physically that he was pre-Margarito. But a good trainer who emphasizes defense could lengthen his career drastically. If HBO could engineer a "championship" run for someone like Gatti, it's hard to imagine they couldn't dream up something similar for Cotto. Castillo is a good start.
     
  4. evalistinho

    evalistinho Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Physically he is just entering his prime but his confidence must be messed up. It was on the rise after Jennings and Clottey not quite there yet but Pacquiao shattered it and hes at ground zero. Have to see how he bounces back. hopefully with a new corner.
     
  5. pathmanc1986

    pathmanc1986 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    id say go up to 154, put on some muscle in the legs and have a couple fights then go for the title then unify


    if he can successfully go up in weight, get a new trainer to emphasise his counter punching and tighten up his guard he would have way too much for all that division. paul williams aside
     
  6. warrior85

    warrior85 R.I.P THUNDER Full Member

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    i think cotto will be a light middleweight at some point next year
     
  7. IsaL

    IsaL VIP Member Full Member

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    What are you talking about!!??

    When Corrales lost to Mayweather, EVERYONE knew Corrales had serious distractions that included family problems, court hearings, prison time, and inadequate training as a result, you couple that with him still trying to shrink down to make weight and it was a recipe for disaster.

    Cotto lost twice when he was supposed to be at his best!
     
  8. kirk

    kirk l l l Staff Member

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    Why do people continue to cite Cottos age as if that has anything to do with things?

    So what hes 29? how old was morales when he was done? how old was vargas when he was done? how old was reid when he was done? i really could go on for a long time.

    Age doesnt really mean **** in boxing.... its the miles you have on you inside that ring. And every fighter can take those miles differently.

    Corrales did not recieve the type of beating in the mayweather fight that Cotto did in the Pac and Margarito fights..... Castillo fight? ya... that was a beating, even though he won (God Corrales was a warrior, RIP champ.. i miss him in boxing) But the mayweather fight not so much.

    Cotto had a large amature career, and as a pro has had grueling fights with

    Mosley
    Margarito
    Pac
    Ndou
    Clottey
    Torres

    and recieved beatdowns in two of those the likes most fighters dont recover from to regain top potential, there are reasons for that. Cotto is already not the same as he was pre Margarito, and although i would like to see him switch his training camp up and get with an experienced trainer, i dont see it happening, and even if it did theres no reason to think that he isnt already past his best. Doesnt mean he couldnt still be very good, a lot of a fighters worth in my eyes come from how they do after they are past their best, but at the same time, there is no magical number for how many times you can get beat up in a fight before you start slurring your words.

    I would like to believe Cotto can 'come back' and be a force, and i will be in his corner rooting hard should he decide to try, but i also believe he will have to overcome a lot, not just what i said in my post but also i think he needs to do some soul searching, and i think it will be pretty hard, but impressive, if he does. Im rooting for him though.
     
  9. Polymath

    Polymath Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No, he's too rich.
     
  10. Ambition_Def

    Ambition_Def **** the people. Full Member

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    Everyone is looking for excuses as to why he lost.

    The plain fact is that had Mosley gone after Cotto he would have brutalized him as well. He simply showed him the respect that Margarito and Pacquiao didn't. Cotto is not a huge puncher, he has leaky defense and an unwillingness to hold.

    He's always going to be exciting to watch but he's vunerable. Maybe not against a pacified Mosley or a defensive Clottey, but against top welters/jr.middles expect him to be vunerable.

    Don't forget also that it wasn't too long ago Torres had him in serious trouble. Anyone that goes for blood and has a decent chance to win will give him hell. That's why I wouldn't discount his chances against Mayweather, but against Mosley in a rematch I think he'd get hurt. Ditto with Margarito and Pacquiao.
     
  11. BlueApollo

    BlueApollo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I could see a fight with the Frog selling out MSG, but other than that I see no reason why Cotto would go to 154. His power at 147 is becoming a little suspect, and his frame doesn't say junior middleweight at all.
     
  12. the_brigand

    the_brigand I'll Eat Her Later... Full Member

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    Cotto always goes out looking to give people a good show. (it's why he refuses to engage in clinches)
    So he'll look exciting in every fight if he's winning until he hits a brick wall like Margarito or Pacquiao. He'll stand toe to toe until he can't do it anymore...it's a flaw in his crowd pleasing style, but can you blame him?

    I thought he could have done much better against Pacquiao if he started out "boxing" and stuck to that game plan instead of getting in and trying to trade. But then that wouldn't have been Miguel Cotto.

    Maybe if he decides to come back to the ring he could re-invent himself as a pure boxer/counter-puncher instead of a straight up brawler, it would add years to his career.
     
  13. Genaro G

    Genaro G Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I like this post
     
  14. kirk

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    Actually, Mosley DOES try to go for broke a few times winging his haymakers, he was just facing a cotto that made him miss, then would land his own shots in return.

    There is a huge difference between going for broke on someone who you feel you have right where you want them, and you 'cant miss' so to speak, then doing it on someone who makes you miss then makes you pay, and mosley is a fighter that gets fustrated and loses his bearing. He tried to open up on Cotto, and Cotto made him look stupid at times.... countering with nice jabs, left hooks and accurate right crosses. Its pretty lame how many people are now saying 'well shane just didnt try to knock cotto out' or whatever.

    In fact, lampley and crew commentated on the some of the huge punches that mosley threw once he started to get fustrated, and missed... and then was countered on.

    And nobody needs an excuse for why he lost... he lost because he lost. He fought a great lil fighter who had speed to land shots he didnt see, threw punches in bunches (pac threw a 12 punch combo for gods sakes) fighting as a southpaw, with enough power in both hands to hurt cotto by the punches coming from angles not normally seen by him, and all leading to a brutal TKO loss. But cotto was competetive at times, and posters on the forum can say anything they like.... fact is Cotto beat Mosley because he was peaking in that particular fight, fought a great fight, and fustrated Mosley like he often gets when facing very good fighters or akward fighters.

    And yes, Cotto will always be vulnerable... thats just the way it is. Especially now, even though many want to act as if beatings are seemingly almost healthy for your career and cotto should be back to normal, fact is margarito took something out of him, and im sure pac has taken something from him... and his fights i think will become now even more competetive unfortunatly, as i think hes def past his best. Thats not an excuse, that is reality.
     
  15. FinalBELL

    FinalBELL Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I honestly think had Cotto stuck to the jab and had a more experienced corner, he would have won against Pac. Pac was taking some good shots until Cotto was hurt in the 4th. Look at Pacs face and ear!

    Cotto chose to engage a better brawler,
    when he should have stayed the better boxer.

    I think Cotto knows, he made a mistake in brawling with Pac.
    Cotto will return, hopefully with a more experienced corner.