Could David Haye Have Beat Bruno.?

Briggs is no coward

 

In several of the fights when he was young I saw him scared and lost. Foreman, Botha, Darroll Wilson.

 

Briggs is not a coward, he got up 3x against Lennox and wanted to continue. He got battered for 12 rounds against Vitali and didn't try to quit even once and took his beating like a man.

Haye had been inactive and was doing nothing but fighting bums when Briggs called him out.

 

Ah, college. You aren’t old enough to have been been watching boxing back then.

Haye outperformed Povetkin, Iggy, and Chaggy who were the other top fighters of the time. Haye landed sneaky shots as late as the 12th ( a nice hook) but he couldn’t capitalize because Wlad had poise by that point in his career.

Bruno would’ve lost every second against peak Wlad and been stopped.

 

I can simply watch boxing matches of an era on youtube if it was before my time so that's an irrelevant point.

That has nothing to do with Haye's heart. Him landing shots in the 12th simply means he has good stamina. Stamina and heart are 2 different things. I am talking about willingness to put it all on the line and do whatever it takes to win. He did not show tons of heart against Wladmir and Bellew.

The only reason Haye wasn't stopped against Wladmir was because of his footwork and defense. He fought to survive, not to win. And I could easily see prime Bruno beating the Bellew who beat Haye.

 

See, you don’t understand the context of these fights because you’re new to the sport. Wlad was h2h one of the best ever at that point and Haye outperformed all of the other challengers around that time except maybe for Thompson.

Haye was shot for the Bellew fights. Those don’t count for anything.

 

Briggs hadn't done anything to warrant a fight with Haye. Haye can't be reasonably accused of ducking someone so lacking in credentials

 

Yes , it was Haye who landed the best shot of that fight. A shot that had Klitschko holding on like a cat stuck up a tree.
No poise , just illegal fouling enabled by Wlads corrupt referee. Here , the tape doesn't lie. btw , Bruno sparks Haye out cold

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I've no idea why you're being so condescending.

Haye pursued Klitschko more so outside of the ring than he did in the 36 minutes between the ropes. This, against a man who was knocked all over the ring by Sam Peter, stopped by Puritty, Sanders and Brewster and still did not have the self-belief to actually lay it all on the line - even with all of the glory and financial reward he so craved that was well on the line.

Klitschko managed to go on a run beating mediocre to average opposition who were old and/or short - that did not make him invisible. Haye bottled it, for whatever reason. Nobody is saying that beating Klitschko was a foregone conclusion and should have been easy work for Haye, but he did not roll the die.

 

Haye used the same strategy as the Valuev fight, but it wasn’t good enough.

Wlad was six years removed from the Peter fight and was on one of the most dominant runs ever as a heavyweight champion. He avenged Brewster and dominated Peter during that period, although they were past prime, and beat Chambers, Chagaev, Iggy, Thompson and Byrd who were all talented and near prime. Povetkin and Pulev would soon follow.

I don’t accept delusion just because a fighter or a fight is boring. Bruno belonged in a ring with Chisora, not Wlad.

 

Bruno could be exasperating to watch. He'd look good for the win then... poof!
He just tended to fade in fights.
He faded against Bonecrusher Smith, against Witherspoon and also against McCall, though he sqeaked by there.

His survival instincts got a little better as he grew older and more experienced, but they were never good.

Just for those reasons alone, I'd give Haye at least a chance of a semi-upset.

 

Chambers, Chagaev, Ibragimov, Thompson and Byrd. You sound desperate if you're citing the Povetkin bout as an example of his dominance, in what was one of the most disgraceful performances by a boxer and referee that I have ever seen.

Wow. What a line up! A who's who of old, short or mediocre opposition.

Don't forget Brock, Leapai, Pianeta, Austin, Wach, Mormeck, and the ghost of Rahman.

 

I see your hatred of Wladimir still burns brightly.

 

Where's the lie? Truth can't be hate so where's the lie?

 

I have been watching boxing for 20 years.

I understand perfectly well that Wlad was ruling the division with an iron fist. The fact Haye did better than most of the other challengers doesn't mean he showed heart. You really don't understand what I'm arguing here. Haye did not show any initiative or drive to win, he simply fought to survive.

This is like saying Eddie Machen showed more heart against Liston than Cleveland Williams did because Machen was the only guy during Liston's reign of terror to go the distance and survive without getting busted up. That's not how this works. Williams broke Liston's nose and did everything he could to knock him out. Machen got on his bike and ran.

Then again you're the guy who said:

You think entering the ring with no intention of winning and letting yourself get blasted out takes more courage than going for broke and trying to win. You do not know what "heart" or "effort" means judging by your bizarre comments.