Could Dempsey Be Competitive with Modern Super Heavies?

First of all size is nothing ,doesn't matter how big they are ,if they gets hit fast enough and hard enough they'll go .If that's the case then every time a bigger heavyweight gets in the ring with a smaller man then the big guy always wins ?And skilled ?Who's saying Dempsey isnt a skilled fighter ?He was years ahead of most of his competition ,he wasn't just a face first Brawler .That's why his name lives on almost a 100 year's after winning the heavyweight title .

 

Like Usyk I think he could but he'd need to be careful with his match making

 

Learn how to type better first off. Second who cares when these guys started their careers? Boxers now days are far more skilled than the fighters doing Dempsey's era. Now days you can't avoid fighting certain races of fighters and now days all of the heavyweights are modern size. Which means Dempsey couldn't compete with modern heavyweights or any fighters near his size period.

 

With no footage of Fulton, we have no way of knowing whether he was a skilled as modern fighter, or less killed than modern fighters, or more skilled than modern fighters.

People who saw him obviously said that he was very good.

You base this assumption on what exactly?

 

Right size doesn't matter. So based on that logic Floyd Mayweather could beat Mike Tyson, Wladmir Klistchko, George Foreman, Anthony Joshua right. Dempsey's name just like Rocky Marciano name only live on because white guys keep bringing them up. Dempsey was skilled for his joke era. That doesn't equate to being skilled compared to modern fighters. Dempsey isn't a heavyweight by modern standards. He is a cruiserweight with no skills. Once you are over 205 you a heavyweight. Adding tons of extra weight once you are already a heavyweight won't help you.

You are another one of these clueless boxing fans who loves to bring Marciano, Dempsey, Tunney out of your butt for a clear reason. So let me just dismiss you now.

 

Right he competed against modern size and skilled fighters even though he retired in the 1930's? Cute. Dempsey compete against a bunch of slow unskilled joke white fighters who for the most part were 170-180 pounds.

 

What do you have against white fighters? Also Dempsey has beaten black fighters, heavyweight champs, future heavyweight champs and giants. Almost all outsizing him.

 

Whatever drugs you are smoking you should give me some. We know for a fact from the footage of other guys doing that era that these guys were extremely unskilled to modern fighters. But yeah in Fulton's case he was special. He was as skilled as modern big men right? Right because people who saw him during that era said he was good compared to fighters of that era must mean he is as skilled as a modern fighter? Man you are smart. I bet nobody tells you that though.

I base my assumption on facts. Jack Johnson was considered skilled for his era. There are various fights on him online. He was completely unskilled compared to modern fighters period. Faint faint and grab wouldn't work today and even by the 40's fighters stopped fighting that way. So just by skill alone fighters from that era couldn't compete with modern fighters. Second there is a weight class for a reason. But people like you will only use that when it benefits you. So when fighters like Marciano, Dempsey, Tunney, Greb, and Fitzsimmons are involved you will say skill is unimportant and they could beat modern heavyweights. Then if I told you well based on that logic Manny Pacquiao could beat Rocky Marciano because size doesn't matter. You know what you will say? Pac is too small. That is what people like you do. You need to believe in your TV heroes like Marciano, Dempsey, Tunney and others for a clear reason. I won't bother to explain to people like you anymore. I will just block you with no comment. If want to believe some no talent 180 pound jokes like Dempsey, Marciano, and Tunney could beat modern sized heavyweights then good for you. You aren't bothering anybody with your wrong opinion.

 

The current #1 heavyweight is Anthony Joshua:

Height 6' 5''
Reach 82 ''
Weight 242 lbs

Jack Dempsey won the title from Jess Willard:

Height 6' 6.5''
Reach 83 ''
Weight 245 lbs (probably better at 238)

You get the general idea!

 

If Steve Cunningham could floor and rock Fury, if Szpilka and Eric Molina could frustrate Wilder and if Takam and Povetkin could be competitive with Joshua then yes I'd say it's not a wild stretch to suggest an ATG legend could be competitive with today's SHW's.

 

Tyson Fury isn't 6'8 or 6'9. He is only slightly taller than the 6'6 1/2 Deontay Wilder. Dempsey couldn't beat a modern sized heavyweight because he was way too small and had no skill. Wilder, Fury, Anthony Joshua, Lennox Lewis, George Foreman, Mike Tyson, Riddick Bowe would of smashed him into the ground in 1 round or when they felt like it. I would say the average 160 pound fighter today would beat anybody from that era. The skill level now is on a different level.

 

Lol Szpilka is a 6'3 1/2 230 pound modern heavyweight. Eric Molina is a 6'4 230-240 pound heavyweight. Povetkin is 6'2 220, Carlos Takam is 6'2 230. So because a modern heavyweight could compete against a modern heavyweight then that means a 190 pound 6'0 heavyweight form 80 plus years ago can? Brilliant logic.

 

I have seen the same footage, and I disagree, so where does that leave you?

Did it never occur to you that Jack Johnson might have fought differently to modern fighters, because he was essentially fighting under a different rule set, that required a different set of skills?

You throw the word skill around freely, but aren't feinting and clinching skills?

Correct.

It is called sanctioning fees!

Perhaps we just use the size argument when there is historical precedent?

There have been no cases of a fighter the size of Manny Pacquiao, beating a legitimately world class opponent the size of Rocky Marciano.

There have been cases of a fighter the size of Rocky Marciano, beating a world class fighter the size of Anthony Joshua, albeit it is very rare.

 

Diminishing returns

Honestly it isn't even that rare, stuff like Sharkey vs Carnera is more common than some think.

 

This. People seem to keep forgetting that size works both ways. Being taller and having a larger reach can be both an advantage and disadvantage.

I see Dempsey's conditioning, timing, inside game, and crouching taking him to the top of the division again.

Wilder's poor defense and how he doesn't defend his body well got completely exposed against Ortiz. Wilder was very lucky Ortiz has poor stamina and is hopeless against a good right hand. Ortiz's body shots were gradually starting to weaken Wilder's stamina, but the old and poorly conditioned Ortiz gassed first.

Joshua was getting tagged all day to the body by Takam and only got away with taking those flush body shots due to Takam being a very light puncher. Absorbing all of those flush body shots from Dempsey would be suicide. Also, unlike Takam Dempsey wouldn't gas.

Fury is a more well rounded fighter than Wilder or Joshua, but even he sometimes gets lazy with his jab. Zack Page, who was almost 40 was coming right over Fury's jab and timing him at wil, which resulted in Fury having to back off and coast to a decision in the later rounds. Cunningham made Fury pay for the same mistake and floored Fury, but didn't have the inside game to keep it up once Fury adjusted while Dempsey had an impeccable inside game and wouldn't be bullied like Cunningham was. Dempsey is by far a superior fighter to Page or Cunningham and wouldn't just be landing one punch. Once Dempsey rocked Fury he would turn it up and close the show. Fury also has a bad habit of throwing the uppercut from the outside and got rocked by Page with a counter right. Against Dempsey Fury would've absorbed at least 4-5 punches for making that mistake.