Could Dempsey Be Competitive with Modern Super Heavies?

I get it....that was supposed to be a taunt implying homosexuality on his part!!

 

Bowe,V. Klitschko,W. Klitschko were beatable against small fighter !

 

Ok.

 

Ustinov was never very good, and was 41 years old for this fight.

I agree Dempsey could take Charr's belt

 

Some of them, yeah.

 

My definition for historical super heavyweight is:

6’3” or taller
78” reach or greater
225 pounds or more

**If two categories greatly exceed the standard, and the third is just slightly behind, I’d give it a pass.**


The modern definition for a super heavyweight is:

6’4” or taller
79” reach or greater
230 pounds or more

I think you need to segment the super heavies.

Class 1 ) A super heavyweight with excellent skills. An hightly accomplished amateur that is difficult to out box, and usually breezes through non top ten opponents. ( Wlad, Vitali, Lewis, Bowe ). Seldom if ever loses a decision in his prime.

Class 2 ) A super heavyweight with good skills. Boxes well but isn’t quite elite ( Tucker, Joshua )

Class 3 ) A moderately skilled super heavyweight. Some skills are there, but he can be out boxed by much smaller men that are skilled. ( Valuev, Godfrey, Carnera )

Class 4 ) A semi-skilled super heavyweight. Size is his best asset, this man can’t box well. ( Abe Simon , Jess Willard )

I'd pick Dempsey over class 4, and 3. Sometimes over class two. Vs class one, puncher's chance only. He's going to need to land a bomb early.

 

No 185 pound fighter ever beat any of the above. And as long as we're talking about beatable, Dempsey was beatable, also. A tubby 190 pounder pulled the trick in seconds.

 

For example, like Spinks managed to beat SHW Cooney?

 

Cooney was 6'6" but how much did he weigh? I don't know myself.

 

In his time Dempsey beat the actual(modern) good big fighter(Willard).He hadn't other choice...
True -for example- Chris Byrd who beat Vitali Klitschko was heavier than Dempsey but i think he wasn't
taller or stronger than Jack. Honorable mention Dempsey was 192,5 lbs against Firpo and he wasn't tubby or fat at all but he was powerful and dangerous.

 

You were very accurate.
But i bring another approach for example McCall who destroyed Lewis was
heavier than Dempsey but he never was a talented big/tall fighter beater i think he lost to Douglas, Tucker, Davarryl Williamson and he lost to the tallish Frank Bruno also.
Considering these i doubt McCall was more impressive/effective against the tall/big fighters than Dempsey but even so he could beat -maybe- the all time best big fighter(Lewis).
All in all i think Dempsey could be competitive-at least competitive- with Fury and Joshua not to mention maybe he never was down by a 41 years old fighter.

 

An old, innactive Willard doesn't measure up to today's elite SHWs. It's not Jack's fault. They really didn't exist back then, and at the elite level, they are still infrequent.

As far as Byrd "beating" Vitali, injuries can happen in any match. That's just a giant X factor on any of these hypotheticals. Moreover, the degree of success that Byrd did have was based on an elusive pot-shotting style, not exactly Jack's blueprint.

Jack would win some and he would lose. If he fought at the top of the division, there would be no Gibbons or Carpentier or Miske type athletes.

 

I call what McCall did the puncher's chance. He was 40 pounds or so heavier than Dempsey. But if they fought 5 times, McCall might just win one vs Lewis.

Dempsey could be competitive with Joshua and Fury for a while, but he just gets hit too easily on film to last, beyond his own puncher's chance.

 

By your opinion Zuri Lawrence (who was bigger than McCall) looked like a dangerous puncher.
The weight and the punching power are very different things and the "light" Dempsey could punch and hurt.
Otherwise McCall wasn't a good puncher at all after the Lennox beating the Holmes and Bruno fights proved this .
McCall's case was a featherfist's chance correctly.