Could Dempsey Hurt The Super Heavies? Look At This.

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Bet he broke Long's jaw with that shot.

 

There is little question Dempsey could hurt a super heavy.

I'll never forget the first time I was really, badly hurt in the ring. I had just hit my penultimate growth spurt, I was over 6 foot, 200 pounds, 17 years old, and I thought I was a stud. Sparred a veteran pro middleweight one day. He was about 170 or so, I had about 35 pounds on him. I thought, in my arrogance, to just work my jab on the little guy.

He sparked me with the first hook he hit me with.

Dempsey would hurt anybody he hit. What doesn't bode as well for match ups against the elite superheavies in history were his crude movement, wild attack, and propensity for throwing it all early no matter what came back at him.

Against ,say, Lennox Lewis, I think his fighting style gets him stopped early far more often than it gets him a stoppage. You can charge down and beat up guys like Ray and Willard, because your ferocity and big power is going to accumulate the damage or crack the chin far quicker than they can hope to return the favor. Guys like Wlad, Lewis, and Bowe, and much, much different animals.

That he was an incredible puncher shouldn't be in dispute. He swung his left hook from the Ozarks. I'm suprised he didn't kill more people with it.

 

Mcvey, I respect your integrity and balance, but you are not going to change the irrational distaste for Dempsey, by citing the fact that Dempseys bandaging in his dressing room before the Willard bout was WITNESSED by Willards seconds, several sportswriters including Nat Fleischer ,and both fighters entered the ring with gloves OFF as you cite.
Nevertheless Dempsey had either a crowbar, a lead weight , an anchor from a Naval ship or whatnot, in his gloves, that raised havoc with the giant Willard who was never on the floor before... The darn fact that he obliterated larger men before and after, as Carl Morris, Fred Fulton, Luis Firpo, shows the great power of his vaunted left-hook, means nothing to the
true closed minded , who have a clinical agenda to advance their revisionism...It is one thing to say Dempsey wasn't the greatest HW, man to man. We all have a right to our opinions, but to deny the facts when
visual evidence proves that Dempsey had no iron bars under his gloves,
shows me unparalleled hatred for Dempsey, by people who live to hurt others...I'm ####### as hell...Cheers M...

 

You actually make a great point. Composition is very important for a heavyweight.

Too much or too little weight depending on height can actually affect a lot of key attributes.

 

B- I don't think any reasonable, well-versed boxing fan thinks Dempsey had loaded gloves against Willard... no more than say, Johnson took a dive against Willard... for all the reasons you mention.

 

S, rest assured I wasn't including you in the iron in gloves conspiracy, by posters on ESB. Was he the best heavyweight ever M2M ?
Who knows ? But Dempsey had tremendous torque in his left-hook, hard enough to ko anyone he hit, regardless of the size of his opponents.
The ability to take a tremendous shot on the chin is not solely depended on weight. And the ability to hit is also not solely dependant of weight.
Some of the greatest punchers ever as Fitz, Langford, Tommy Gomez of Tampa Fl, Bob Satterfield, Curtis Shepperd, Bob Foster,Joe Louis, yes Jack Dempsey were under 200 pounds..But what they lacked in HEFT, they
made up with getting there "fustess with the mostess " as Gen. Bedford Forrest, aptly put it...Cheers...

 

Seamus,the 7ft6" giant above was Robert Wardlow who in the 1930s was the tallest man in the world. It is not Wray the fighter of the 1920s who Dempsey kod...:happy

 

How did I miss the point? I said Dempsey could hit and that would give him a chance vs. anyone.

Wlad might have a suspect chin vs big punchers, but lots of guys do. Landing on Wlad's chin considering he's 6'6 with a high guard is not an easy task for anyone Mix in some footwork, and the task becomes event harder. And if one gets in too close, Wlad is a very strong and technical clincher. Getting past his jab is something few can do, and once fighters get whacked with his right hand, previous game plans tend to go out the window. Did I mention Wlad has excellent hand speed and excellent ring smarts? Now, did Wray or Willard have any of the above attributes I mentioned ( high guard, footwork, clinching, a offensive and defensive jab, an accurate straight right hand or hand speed )? I think not.

Willard was old, rusty, stiff and slow when he meet Dempsey. He had a poor jab, lousy timing and little athletic ability or defensive fundamentals. This made him an easy mark for Dempsey, who when he landed his best could hurt most fighters quickly. But landing on a modern skilled super heavyweight is a much harder proposition than landing on perhaps the worst defensive champ of all time in Willard, and some tall stiff who I have never seen.

I would not say Wlad's chin is horrible or great. Somewhere in-between is closer to the truth. Wlad took flush shots from Peter, Ibragimov, and Haye without getting stopped.

 

I agree with your post completely, people make it out like the second people who don't have good chins get tagged it's game over, if it were that easy to take out Wlad more would've done it. Does Dempsey have enough power to hurt a Superheavy? Hell yes but i'd also say John Mugabi has enough power to hurt a Superheavy doesn't mean he'd beat any. Wlad is not Willard who basically stood there like a totem poll, didn't even posses the know-how to cover his face or clinch after being hurt.

 

I did not even mention Wary by name in the first post, and only alluded to him in the second. Please show us where we can see Wray on film. It won't surprise anyone here is he's stiff, unskilled, and slow. I doubt he shares much in common with Wlad at all.:deal

The Willard who fought Dempsey was rusty and older. Just like I said Willard had little movement or defense. Essentially he was a bi-pedal punching bag who showed guts by lasting as long as he did vs. Dempsey's whirlwind attack.

 

LOL, right you are and kudos on the Mugbai analogy. Give this man a microphone but be warned some here think the days of sub 200 pound heavyweight champions who clean out divisons aren't a thing of the past.