Could Dempsey Hurt The Super Heavies? Look At This.

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M,I respect your opinion but beg to differ when you say Dempsey had "crude movements, wild attacks, and throw it all ,with no intelligence
or sense of pacing :...Wrong, wrong, wrong...You base this analysis on 2 clips of Dempsey's first rd cyclonic attack of Willard, when it is well known that his gambling mgr, Jack Kearns bet a TREMENDOUS amount of money that Dempsey would score a FIRST rd KO. Dempsey had no recourse but to go all out in the 105 degrees Toledo sun, to win the bet no matter what... And truthfully he after scoring 7 knockdowns in the first rd would have had a ko from ANY OTHER REFEREE, than Ollie Pecord.
The other bout on tape you saw was when Dempsey rushed Luis AngelFirpo
at the bell for the first round and got clocked with a right by the Bull of the Pampas. Dempsey learned his lesson and flattened Firpo in the 2nd rd with a devastating one-two so quick that the camera can hardly catch the blows.
So aside from this , Gene tunney said that when fought the old,slow past prime Dempsey, it was almost impossible to hit Dempsey's chin solidly as it was always tucked in his shoulder...
In Dempsey's fight with the great defensive boxer Tommy Gibbons, Dempsey adjusted and outboxed Gibbons by a wide margin in a hot 100 degrees 15 round Shelby Montana sun...And in 1920 Dempsey not at his best ,paced himself until the 12th rd to ko Bii Brennan with a right hand that broke the ankle of Brennan as he dropped to the floor. So M, Jack Dempsey had great skills when in his prime with his rolling, bobbing and weaving style, and he had a great set of wheels for a heavyweight.
So he was no Rocky Graziano, but a faster and more adaptable version of the later Joe Frazier...Dempsey also believed that sometimes "a good offense is a good defense", and he was right as his record proves...
Ray Arcel ,who should know said that the prime Dempsey had "no weaknesses" ,and so highly was the Manassa Mauler regarded in his day by people and fighters who SAW the real Dempsey...

 

Tunney might say he found it difficult, and that is cool, cause Dempsey in a great fighter. But he found his chin, early, often, and copiously. He beat the damn tar out of Jack.

There are about 5 clips of Dempsey you can find anywhere that basically show him bumrushing in straight lines fighters, and beating the bejabbers out of them. Wham, bam, thank you maam.

In the Willard fight, Dempsey goes all out and slams Jess over and over again. He comes in a straight line, right hand at his nipples, and wings his left into the fore like he's trying to decapitate Willard with it.

Firpo, his defensive flaws and wild attack actually got him in trouble. But its a one sided whipping of a fight.

He touched Tunney one good time in quite a few rounds of boxing with him. Past his best or no, those are utterly onesided fights. They proved his power, and his ferocity, but are not good testaments to defensive skill, as Jack got lit up like a Xmas tree, whether Tunney found that easy or not.

No disputing he was a killer. He was. An absolute bull. And he was a bull he was always seeing red when he attacked. If you could withstand those rushes you had a chance to get your own licks at a distance, but it took a stud like Tunney to outbox him. There was just no guy in that particularly day who did what Dempsey did with the animal ferocity he did.

There have been guys since who moved quicker and hit harder. I've never seen Dempsey on film show he was more adaptable than Joe Frazier. I can hear the argument he was faster, cause I can see that in the Willard fight.

But as much as I respect a guy like Ray Arcel, I can also acknowledge an amazing fighter when I see one. I just need some video evidence that Jack Dempsey was a better fighter than Joe Frazier, etc. There isn't any. I can only go by what my eyes see, man. He was the best to come along in a long, long time, but other legends and killers have come since, and almost all of them look, to me, to be the better technicians in the ring.

 

No matter how many times posters as myself try to be fair and logical
to illuminate the fact that to base TODAY the essence of who the real Jack Dempsey was by watching the 32 year old Dempsey, who was OUT of the RING for THREE years, sans a TUNEUP bout, involved with a lawsuit from his departed manager Jack Kearns, and grieving over the recent suicide of his close brother Bernie, and still using THIS shell of Dempsey to show
how overrated he was, shows me that this person or persons have an agenda,to deflate Dempsey's prime magnifient ability's... Ali gets a pass about his lackluster fights against a Spinks, Berbick, Holmes etc. Joe Louis gets a pass with his bouts with Charles, Walcott, Marciano, Ray Robinson gets a pass against Tiger Jones, Fullmer, Turpin, a smaller Basilio,etc.
They rightfully realize that these great fighters were a shell of their
former greatness, BUT Dempsey only on ESB by clinical detracters of this great offensive fighter still gets the shaft...I TRY to understand why they treat his legacy and disregard the opinions of great past boxing minds
saying in effect, " I know better then these informative minds of yesterday"
Bah, I say.

 

What hyperbolic nonsense. I love Dempsey, but because he was a very savvy and interesting boxer in addition to a ferocious puncher. Watch him against Brennan or Tunney - I've been in fights, and those were boxing matches. Dempsey is like a super-athletic Frazier with great handspeed, power in his right as well as his left, great footwork, less headmovement, and a lot of movement at the waist and leading with his head and low hands. Less pressure, as well, and cruder opposition.

Sure, he could hurt them, but this mortal first has to get past their reach.

 

Hyperbolic??? I was being as in hyperbolic as its possible - my point was that comparing Bray with the Klitschko's is completely ridiculous!?? I was saying that Bray was an absolute novice and shouldn't have been in a ring with Dempsey whether he was 7ft 3 or not - Dempsey was renowned for not showing anyone any mercy in any type of fight and it wasn't safe putting a novice in with Dempsey even if it was termed an exhibition?? I don't know where you get me being hyperbolic from?? My point was to eradicate the hyperbole that others might generate from this

 

I get what you're saying now, and agree.

 

say what you say, but I would rather face Ali , than Dempsey on a bad day, he was a nightmare!

 

I love how honest Magna is. Thanks for the insight again :good

 

Their are only a select few I'd favor over Dempsey and the Klitschkos, and Lewis aren't either of them. Dempsey feasted on fighters like these.

 

Agreed. And the Dempsey haters just don't get how much more hardcore his situation was then the modern fighter.. Broke, malnourished, Bar fights/sparring for money, sleeping in the streets or a park, eating a doughnut for the day. Knowing you had to get up or you were basically a dead man.. It's the mindset and being so much more hard core that separates him from most.. My grandpa survived the great depression because he left his home state at age 11 to look for work ... That's 10 times more hardcore than I will ever be... So the Dempsey haters pull his resume or say he is 20 lbs to small but put most boxers in front of Dempsey and he will knock their block off so he can get his doughnut for the day

 

4 fight novice going in with the Heavyweight champ,lucky he only got a broken jaw..

 

Wlad and Lennox would knock him cold.