Could Evander Holyfield make it 49-0 in the 50s?

I really dont want to talk to you because you make my **** boil.So jog on!

 

Slam-dunk!

 

Huh?

Why do facts always elude you?

Off Ped's Holyfield was a 190 guy who fought in the light heavyweight division in the amateurs. Doesn't this sound like a typical Marciano opponent in terms of weight? I think so

I do not think Holyfield would be 4-0 vs Charles ( Charles had better skills ) , who was a bit lighter than Holyfield ( 192 and 185 for Marciano ) and Walcott ( 196 an 198 for Marciano ) who could be a bit heavier. If you get he basics right without sounding like an authority with falsehoods, you'd be a better poster.

Archie Moore would not be easy for Holyfield either. Given the amount of uneven pefromaces Holy had, I would not rule of a loss in 2 fights to LaStarza either.

 

Nobody is saying “I worship that 49-0”.

But let’s not pretend it was the easiest 49-0 out there. Even allowing for a 30 fight apprenticeship to learn the sport, There’s still another 19 fights to Remain unbeaten which include more live opponents, two former world champions, two current world champions and many leading contenders he met in real main events in New York.

Holyfield had way more live fights but didn’t fight so many times within a similar period. His main fights were Qawi, Foreman, Holmes, Bowe, Moorer, Lewis, Mercer and Ruiz. And he lost to three of them.

 

1. bobby Quin
2. Eddie Ross
3. Don moguard
4. Ted Lowery
5. Ted Lowery
6. Carmine Vingo
7. Roland Lastarza
8. Rolland Lastarza
9. Harry kid Mathews
10. Don Cokkell
11. Archie Moore
12. Keen Simmons
13. Johnny Shkor
14. Jersey Joe Walcott
15. Bernie Reynolds
16. Rex Layne
17. Joe Louis
18. Red applegate
19 Ezzard Charles
20. Ezzard Charles

And that doesn’t even include Walcott in the second fight (because he was no longer a live opponent) or Gino Bounavino who gave a very good account of himself after being decked in the first round until getting stopped in the tenth and last round.

 

Holyfield fighting as a l

Being a Lhvy in the amateurs means what exactly?
You do know Marciano opponents
Charles
Mathews
Lowry
Mathews
Lowry
Bilazarian
Quinn
Ross
Cokkell
Fought as light heavies professionally?LOL
You want to mention facts?
You're the poster who assures us Jim Jeffries had a normal chest size that was 48"
IE
4 inches bigger than Liston's
2 inches bigger than Willard's
The same size as Carnera's
3 inches bigger than Dempsey's
4 inches bigger than Baer's
6inches bigger than Louis'
6 inches bigger than Frazier
4 inches bigger than Lewis
5 inches bigger than Foreman
3 inches bigger than Joshua
10 inches bigger than Marciano
Youre also the guy who said Jack Sharkey was floored 16 times.
That Jim Corbett who in20 fights failed to finish in 4 of them was durable.
Have you any idea how ridiculous this makes you look?

 

You're the poster who stated Ted Lowry with a record of 63-49-9 a journeyman , who was never ranked anywhere, was a comparable opponent to 77-5-8 Gregorio Peralta who was the tenth ranked heavyweight when Foreman beat him in his 16th fight!
Why on earth would anybody take you seriously?

 

Anyone who thinks Holyfield is simply strolling through 49 straight opponents, in just 8 and a half years, is being optimistic to the max. I'm not even concerning myself with the quality of opposition, at this point.

It would be a statistical challenge for anyone. It took another 30 years - to the day - to get close but not quite for Holmes - and Holmes took four extra years to get there, with some close shaves along the way.

Another 21 and half years later and Valuev would get close, but still fail, after going 46-0. He took 13 and half years to eventually fall, when just a few fights out.


Anything is possible and Holyfield has a shot - He could make it 49-0, but there's so many confounding variables it's a Fool's Accumulator.

 

On steroids or off?

 

Sharkey was probably floored 16 times. Without thinking too hard I can come up with 14 or 15. He was floored five times against Maloney alone, once against Dempsey, four times against Louis, once against Loughran, once against Levinsky, once against Rojas (twice if you include him falling face first to the canvas in the ninth round which ended the fight), and once against Carnera. I dont doubt I missed a couple.

 

My comparison includes the physical advantage of George Foreman too. Peralta was giving away about twenty pounds.

Peralta was a tough hombre.. but he was no more a threat to a title than Ted Lowery was. They were both very tough dudes who would test anyone. Put the two of them in a fight together and Lowrey vs Peralta is a fair fight.

Lowrey was an excellent test for any prospect. Besides Marciano, Lowry fought three other future members of the International Boxing Hall of Fame: Archie Moore, Jimmy Bivinsand Joey Maxim. He lost to all three by ten-round unanimous decisions. He went the distance with Roland Lastarza, Lee Q Murray,, Henry Hall, Jimmy Slade, cesar Brian, drew with Lee Savold. And he also drew with Lee Oma. he took Tiger Jack Fox to a split decision. He beat Bernie Reynolds and he beat black jack billy Fox.

You keep piping up about Peralta being ranked #10 at the time he fought the much heavier Foreman, but Peralta, a lightheavyweight initially, only got his rating out of a draw with fellow Argentine Oscar Bonavena in a domestic bout. It was not a win. Apart from being stopped by Willie Pastrano, Peralta was not known outside of Argentina. Still he was a tough guy to give away twenty pounds and give young Foreman such a stern test. Yet Peralta had no form against known opponents. Or a single win over a rated fighter. For all of his bouts in Argentina peralta had only fought against Unknown’s who bore no significance in the division apart from Bonavena who also beat him. Often fighting the same obscure guys over and over.

 

Forgot lee Savold

 

You love that tape measure don’t you..