Could Evander Holyfield make it 49-0 in the 50s?

I think Savold had more in the tank than Bobby cyz too!

 

Savold was still ranked I believe when Marciano beat him and was a game opponent.

 

Perhaps you'd like to state whether you believe Jim Jeffries had a chest;
4 inches bigger than Liston's
2 inches bigger than Willard's
The same size as Carnera's
3 inches bigger than Dempsey's
4 inches bigger than Baer's
6inches bigger than Louis'
6 inches bigger than Frazier
4 inches bigger than Lewis
5 inches bigger than Foreman
3 inches bigger than Joshua
10 inches bigger than Marciano
??????
Remembering that I didnt state anything, I just said Mendoza was wrong in saying Jeffries had a
48 "unexpanded chest.And I know I am right, Jeffries chest was measured at 43inches ,when posters brag about facts, the same posters that would not recognize a fact if they tripped over one in the street ,I feel no compunction in exposing their lies.

 

Savold dropped out of the rankings atthe end of 1950

Lowry for the first Marciano fight was 178lbs,he had lost his last7 fights and won just 3 of his last 21 fights! Peralta in his previous fight had drawn with the number 3 contender Oscar Bonavena 40-5-0,where the fight took place is totally irrelevant Bonavena was number 3 ring ranked!
Persisting in saying Lowry a journeyman was a comparable opponent to Peralta just makes you look ridiculous.
NB Foreman was 213lbs Peralta 197lbs =16lbs and Foreman was having his 16th fight! I never said Peralta was a threat to the title I said he was ranked show me where Lowry was ever ranked? While you're at it show me where in either fight with Peralta Foreman was ever in this much trouble?

The crowd of 3,696 booed the decision and some wondered if Lowry had thrown the fight. "There were some questions as to whether Lowry, who had come close to knocking out Marciano in the second, third and fourth rounds, deliberately bogged down in his attack after the fourth stanza," Thomas wrote. "Lowry stopped using his uppercut after the fourth. He went into a shell and only occasionally landed power shots. He seemed to be carrying Marciano."

In his book Rocky Marciano: The Rock of His Times, Russell Sullivan wrote the following:

"It was Lowry, not Marciano, who was on the verge of scoring an early knockout, stinging Marciano with two terrific rights in the first round and then rocking him with two mighty uppercuts in the second. By the fourth, a staggered Marciano seemed just one punch away from being knocked out. But then, inexplicably, Lowry stopped fighting and retreated into a shell despite warnings from the referee to open up and a cascade of boos from the crowd. To many, it appeared that Lowry was deliberately carrying Marciano. Was foul play afoot? Was Lowry getting paid to lose? Or was he merely tiring? Whatever the reason, a revived Marciano managed to rally in the late rounds even though many of his punches missed their mark or lacked force. On the basis of his aggressiveness and constant punching, Marciano won a unanimous decision from the judges. Most observers felt, however, that Lowry should have won."

 

Lowry was on the road paying his bills. taking fighters the distance was his job. He probably wasn’t so much looking to get the decision probably because he knew he often would not get it in another mans home town. At that point he was taking everyone the distance, Johnny Flyn, lee Oma, cesar Brion, Roland Lastarza, Jimmy Slade. Archie Moore. Jimmy Bivins. Good fighters. The fact he got draws over Oma and Savold tells you something. Lowry beat Bernie Reynolds after losing to Rocky. He was a good fighter.

I don’t think Peralta even beat anyone as good as Reynolds!

Outside of Bonavena who did Peralta fight who you have heard of? Tough hombre, but think about it.

and he still got ranked out of never beating a rated fighter. I think it was a slow month the one time Peralta registered in the ranks. I never realised just how obscure his record is.

all Peralta did to get ranked was draw with one rated fighter (from his own country) who also beat him. Well Lowry tops this. He drew with two opponents who had been rated fighters and he beat two others who were rated at one time.

 

No no, do not attempt to back track.

Holyfield in Rocky's time means no PED's and he's a curser weight, which as I pointed out is close to the same weight as Charles and less than what Walcott weight. Own it. I asked for the other tale of the tape measurements you claimed, I never saw them. And I showed you Jeffries has a bigger chest than say Joshua for example. You can sink no lower.

Jeffries.. 6 ft. 1, Reach 76/4 inches Chest expanded 48 Inches. Can you admit your are wrong?

https://newspapers.library.in.gov/c...990611.1.2&e=-------en-20--1--txt-txIN-------

Jack Sharkey was floored 16 times that I can prove. Your point? If you think Choynski who you think was he times hardest hitter, Peter Jackson, Kid McCoy ( Rated a top 100 pound for pound puncher by RIng Magazine ) could hit, along with Tom Sharkey, then Corbett is proven durable. Its simple.

Stop try to spin things, you say falsehoods, dont accept them and quickly try to change topics!

 

I never said Choynski was the hardest hitter
Fitz
Johnson
Jeffries
Said so,and I provided their quotes.
If you have 20 fights and are knocked out in 3 of them and rescued by your second entering the ring to prevent you being ko'd again, you are not durable!
Here is the link to tale of the tape posted for the 3rd time. Now once again do you believe Jim Jeffries unexpanded chest was
4 inches bigger than Liston's
2 inches bigger than Willard's
The same size as Carnera's
3 inches bigger than Dempsey's
4 inches bigger than Baer's
6inches bigger than Louis'
6 inches bigger than Frazier
4 inches bigger than Lewis'
5 inches bigger than Foreman
3 inches bigger than Joshua
10 inches bigger than Marciano
YES OR NO?
Jeffries EXPANDED CHEST was 48 1/2 inches his UNEXPANDFED CHEST was 43inches!

 

mcvey, I never said Choynski was the hardest hitter
Fitz
Johnson
Jeffries
Said so,and I provided their quotes.

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If you have 20 fights and are knocked out in 3 of them and rescued by your second entering the ring to prevent you being ko'd again, you are not durable! - McVey

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McVey Here is the link to tale of the tape posted for the 3rd time. Now once again do you believe Jim Jeffries unexpanded chest was
4 inches bigger than Liston's
2 inches bigger than Willard's
The same size as Carnera's
3 inches bigger than Dempsey's
4 inches bigger than Baer's
6inches bigger than Louis'
6 inches bigger than Frazier
4 inches bigger than Lewis'
5 inches bigger than Foreman
3 inches bigger than Joshua
10 inches bigger than Marciano
YES OR NO?
Jeffries EXPANDED CHEST was 48 1/2 inches his UNEXPANDFED CHEST was 43inches!

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The draw that Peralta got with Bonavena was a very bad decision. Bonavena knocked Peralta down and won that fight. He was all over Peralta all night long.

 

No ,once again you are lying, here is your post and your claim!

"If you look at the photos is not hard to see. Jeffries had a 50 inch expanded chest and thighs reported to over 30". Let's say 25" for the legs, that's bigger than most modern champions. He was super strong. " -Mendoza.
Now admit you lied!
The Heavyweight Champions of the World
Tale Of
The Tape John L.
Sullivan James J.
Corbett Bob
Fitzsimmons Jim
Jeffries
Height
Weight
Reach
Chest/Norm.
Chest/Exp.
Waist
Biceps
Neck
Wrist
Calf
Ankle
Thigh
Fist
Forearm
Sullivan
5-10½ Height
196 Weight
74 Reach
43 Chest Normal
48 Chest Exp
36 Waist
16¼ Biceps
18 Neck
Corbett
6 '1" Height
178 Weight
73 Reach
38 Chest Normal
42 Chest Expanded
32 Waist
14 11/2 Biceps
17 Neck
Fitzsimmons
5 11 3/4" Height
167 Weight
71 3/4" Reach
41 Chest Normal
44 Chest Expanded
32 Waist
12 Biceps
15 Neck

Jeffries
6 2" Height
206 Weight
76 1/2" Reach
43 Chest Normal
48 1/2" Chest Expanded
35 Waist
16 Biceps
18 1/4" Neck

 

The OP specified Holy as having the size he did in fact have. So we're talking about Holy as he was in his career.

And 210 lbs Holy around 30 years of age beats those old versions of Walcott and Charles. I don't doubt that. If the version that didn't look really well against Moorer could perhaps lose to Archie Moore is less sure, imo, but I don't think he does.

 

Yes you are right.

"He´s at CW two years later (age 24) and a 205-210lb HW another two years later at the age of 26.
If he could make it, how many fights do see him win by stoppage?"

205 / 210lbs Holyfield at 26.

 

Holyfield isn’t beating Moore on his best day. Especially without PEDs. If he ever met Marciano he’d lose too. He also losses to Charles at his best. And Walcott’s a toss up.

 

That's your opinion,I think he beats all of them.He stops a 30 years old Tyson, but can't beat a 40 years old Moore? And he's a toss up with a 38&39 years old Walcott? Charles was at his heavyweight best some years earlier,like 1950 ,he fought Marciano in 54.